From: Jay Willingham (jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com)
Date: Wed Oct 08 2003 - 19:16:05 EDT
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In a message dated 10/8/2003 4:05:35 PM Mountain Standard Time, jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com writes:
Of course when I suggest creation might have included
isotopes of all ages, I get told God would not fool scientists and if he did
he is unworthy of worship, a position I find almost blasphemous.
Jay Willingham
I also think that this is a foolish statement 'God would not fool scientists and if he did
he is unworthy of worship.' If creation isn't formed like I think it should be than I quit. God says that he is honest, true and never, ever changes. He does not fool anybody.
I have observed many here (and on other lists) who want hard answers in response to a YEC position. Hundreds of billions (if not trillions) of dollars have been spent on OE investigation and modeling by oil companies, universities, governments, etc. Thousands have been spent on creational modeling's. To expect complex answers to complex problems 'off the cuff' is extraordinary to say the least.
The present may not be the key to the past. Nobody knows. I recall an undergrad independent study (a 6 hour presentation!!) I did on the Geology of Wyoming. The 1940s AAPG issues I read where mountain chain formation was caused by the slow cooling of the earth and the planet was shriveling like a raisin. State of the art science at that time. Thousands of feet of Dolomites in the early Paleozoic compared to other segments of the geologic column. Nobody knows why. Present geologic thought might someday be thrown on its ear by some new revelation, maybe it is trying to be right now but academic smothering and inertia is preventing it. Anybody remember Alfred Wegener? Maybe plate tectonics isn't real after all, who knows. Can it explain India breaking off from the super continent, drifting east and then taking a hard left turn and ramming Eurasia? No, it can't. If it can't explain that mechanism then it is an incomplete theory with flaws. Always keep it in the back of your mind that you could be wrong. Dogmatism breeds stagnation in humanity.
So please back off YEC'ers some. Asking for all answers to all questions in Geology/Biology makes you look like Gray Davis in the Calif. election. Know it alls with a chip on your shoulder. Almost all in the pew accept YEC. Maybe they all know something perceptually (spiritually if you will) that the trained scientific mind cannot discern due to its training. Virtually all science assumes there is no God of the bible. We all know that and it is a basic assumption of all modern science. Perhaps we have been immersed in scientific reasoning procedures and deductions for so long we can't think in any path but the one we've been trained in. An established paradigm is the killer of science.
Jack Jackson
You mean sometime the forester can't see the forest for the trees?
Jay
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