Re: Original Sin (was Re: RATE)

From: Robert Schneider (rjschn39@bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon Oct 06 2003 - 17:28:02 EDT

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    My comment below:

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ted Davis" <TDavis@messiah.edu>
    Subject: Re: Original Sin (was Re: RATE)

    > Yes, I agree that original sin is *true*, indeed Neibuhr or Chesterton
    > (can't remember which, can someone help?) once said that original sin was
    > the most empirically verified theological belief we have.
    >
    > Romans 5:12 clearly teaches that we *are* all sinners, that we are all
    like
    > Adam in this respect. The question is, what is the *theory* of original
    sin
    > as vs the doctrine of original sin?
    >
    > The "fall" is real, in that we all harbor a great capacity for wickedness,
    > rebellion against the Almighty in various forms. Whether the "fall" is
    also
    > historical, is another question.
    >

    I think this is a good way to frame the discussion, if by asserting that the
    fall is historical one insists that Gen. 3 is to be interpreted (1) as an
    actual historical act, and (2) through the framework of Romans 5, taking
    5:12 to mean that humanity has inherited the propensity to sin from Adam in
    some physical way, so that, as Augustine put it, humanity is a "massa
    damnata." This is where Pelagius took issue with Augustine, as the former
    argued that we sin after the example of Adam; he is the exemplar of all acts
    that alienate us from God, but that we are not to understand sin as a
    *substance*, which is what he understood Augustine to mean. If that be the
    case, Pelagius wrote, then we "can shake hands with the Manichaeans." This
    is one reason why I have never found Augustine's explanation a satisfactory
    one, or the notion that we human beings are born depraved. (Even while
    observing or interacting with two-year-olds at their most "terrible," I've
    never thought their willfull actions to be "depraved.") In the final
    analysis, one does not need to insist that the "fall" is historical in order
    to hold to a concept of sin as a universal human capacity that nags us to
    explain it.

    Explaining such an empirical observation has become a differently framed
    issue in some areas of Christian and non-Christian thought, one that falls
    into the realm of *theory*. Freud offered us the "Id." Evolutionary
    thought has opened speculation as to what degree our behavior is the product
    of an evolutionary development. I don't find Freud's model of psycho-sexual
    development convincing. But I do think theology needs to take seriously the
    implications of evolutionary thought on the emergence of the human species,
    as it seeks to articulate a notion of sin in the light of all that has been
    learned about human beings in the last 100 years. The doctrine of the
    "fall"/"original sin" has had its various formulations throughout the
    history of Christian thought. I think the time is ripe for another major
    look at it.

    Bob Schneider



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