From: Jay Willingham (jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon Oct 06 2003 - 15:48:54 EDT
It is easy to infer that Adam and Eve had a personal, intimate relationship
with God in the garden and walked and talked with him there.
After they broke about the only rule God gave them and their eyes were
opened to good and evil, they were ashamed and hid from God when they heard
him walking in the garden in the cool of the day.
God called to them and talked directly to them, "Who told you were naked?"
Then they went through the woman made me do it/the snake made me do it
routine and learned the result of their decision to eat the forbidden fruit.
This analysis also seems to indicate that God is stuck in time and creation
evolves or changes over time and he knows the future only by foreknowledge.
God as father knows it all, but as the Son he was only privy to certain
things recognizable through revelation from the Father. Talk about a
mystery.
Some believe numerous verses indicate creation, including all of time, was
made at once, and all change fro day 1 through the new heaven and earth was
already worked into God's plan before he said "Let there be light".
Jay Willingham
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>
To: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
Cc: <gmorbey@wlu.ca>; "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: RATE]
> You are begging the question by assuming that at the very beginning of
creation
> humanity had already been brought to complete union with God. Scripture
never says
> this. Your quotation marks above are misleading, for the phrase "walking
in the garden
> in the cool of the day" refers to _God_, not to the man & woman walking
with God. In
> fact, Genesis does not ever speak of the man &/or woman walking in the
garden with God.
> Of course I am being very literal here but that is necessary if you are
going to
> interpret Genesis 2 as literal history (which I would not do).
>
But in a fully evolutionary creation, the possibility of sin _not_
entering seems remote. It wouldn't have taken
> much in the way of divine foreknowledge for God to know that creating a
world & an
> intelligent species in this way would involve sin, & thus the need for
salvation. & so
> Revelation 13:8 speaks of "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the
world."
>
> Shalom,
> George
>
>
> George L. Murphy
> gmurphy@raex.com
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>
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