Re: RATE

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Fri Oct 03 2003 - 14:58:34 EDT

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    On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:33:20 -0700 allenroy <allenroy@peoplepc.com>
    writes:
    >
    > From http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-364.htm (ICRs Impact #364)
    > "The AMS (Accelerator Mass Spectrometer) method improved the
    > sensitivity of the
    > raw measurement of the 14C/12C ratio from approximately 1% of the
    > modern value
    > to about 0.001%, extending the theoretical range of sensitivity from
    > about
    > 40,000 years to about 90,000 years. The expectation was that this
    > improvement in
    > precision would make it possible to use this technique to date
    > dramatically
    > older fossil material.1"
    >
    From http://www.c14dating.com/agecalc.html
    It is vital for a radiocarbon laboratory to know the contribution to
    routine sample activity of non-sample radioactivity. Obviously, this
    activity is additional and must be removed from calculations. In order to
    make allowances for background counts and to evaluate the limits of
    detection, materials which radiocarbon specialists can be fairly sure
    contain no activity are measured under identical counting conditions as
    normal samples. Background samples usually consist of geological samples
    of infinite age such as coal, lignite, limestone, ancient carbonate,
    athracite, marble or swamp wood. By measuring the activity of a
    background sample, the normal radioactivity present while a sample of
    unknown age is being measured can be accounted for and deducted.
    In an earlier section we mentioned that the limit of the technique is
    about 55-60 000 years. Obviously, the limit of the method differs between
    laboratories dependent upon the extent to which background levels of
    radioactivity can be reduced. Amongst accelerator laboratories there has
    been mooted the theoretical possibility of extended range dating to 75
    000 yr +, at present this seems difficult to attain because of the
    problems in accurately differentiating between ions that mimic the mass
    and charge characteristics of the C14 atom. Beukens (1994) for instance
    has stated that this means the limit of the range for his Isotrace
    laboratory is 60 000 yr which is very similar to the conventional range.
    End quote.
    Looks to me as though the ICR report exaggerates the limit and involves
    mistaking background for age.
    Dave



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