From: Charles Carrigan (cwcarrig@umich.edu)
Date: Fri Jul 25 2003 - 13:31:11 EDT
All,
There is an article in the NYTimes today related to this issue at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/25/national/25GAYS.html?th
Opposition to Gay Marriage Is Declining, Study Finds.
Opposition to gay marriage has dropped significantly among Americans in
recent years, according to a new poll by the Pew Research Center for the
People and the Press.
At 03:17 PM 7/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>John W Burgeson wrote:
> >
> > George, writing to Bob DeHaan, said: "My own view at this point is an
> > intermediate one which, I fear, will satisfy
> > very few. Homosexuality is not part of God's basic intention for
> > creation but, for
> > various reasons, it is a reality that some persons do have a fundamental
> > homosexual
> > orientation that they have not chosen. The best way for both church and
> > state to deal
> > with this is to recognize (though perhaps in different ways) the
> > legitimacy and legal
> > status of committed 1-1 homosexual relationships, though they would not
> > be considered
> > "marriage." "
> >
> > That much is satisfactory. For a church to do this, such persons ought to
> > be admitted as full members, and eligible as such to hold any church
> > office.
>
> Well, no. There are many other people who are admitted to full
> membership in
>the church but who for various reasons will not be approved for
>ordination. Ordination
>is not a "right" that all Christians have. Whether or not a person is to
>serve in the
>pastoral office is not finally determined by that person thinking that he
>or she should
>be a pastor but by the call of the church.
>
> > At present my church (PCUSA) and, I think, your church (ELCA) will admit
> > such persons as members but denies them eligibility to serve in ordained
> > offices, thus making them, in a sense, 2nd class members.
>
> A foreign-born citizen of the United States is not a "2d class
> citizen" but
>he/she cannot be president.
>
> > My guess is that this will change, but the change will not come for
> > another 5 or 10 years. In the meanwhile, some people will suffer.
>
>
> & if the change comes it will have a devastating effect at least
> on the ELCA and
>many people will suffer.
>
> Shalom,
> George
>
>George L. Murphy
>gmurphy@raex.com
>http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
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