From: George Murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Wed Jul 23 2003 - 15:02:51 EDT
RFaussette@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/22/03 3:39:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gmurphy@raex.com
> writes:
>
> > Christianity is about saving whole people, not simply "souls," & my
> > interest in
> > conforming to the post modern liberal mindset is precisely zero.
> >
> > Please note again that I am not arguing here for acceptance of
> > homosexual
> > activity, but only that the arguments you present against it do not settle
> > the matter
> > for Christian theology & ethics.
> >
> >
>
> No one asked you to conform to the post modern liberal mindset which doesn't
> include Christianity at all.
This is not the 1st time you've failed to notice the statements of your own that
I was responding to. Your statement in the previous post,
"So, instead of intellectualizing about things neither you nor I can have proof
for, or twisting the religion out of shape to conform to the post modern liberal
mindset, obey the Law as people have been doing for thousands of years and the rest
takes care of itself, biologically and metaphysically",
implied that I was conforming to the post modern liberal mindset. If you paid any
attention to the things I write here you could only mean that as a joke. I thought it
worthwhile to point that out.
> I merely said the biology and the theology were
> sound. I didn't embrace one or the other. Just made the statement both
> proferred a "salvation." Christianity IS about saving whole people, Judaism is not.
>
> I am telling you that the biology in the OT promotes the survival and
> reproductve success of those people embracing it. That is not false. That is a fact.
> You have presented no facts to dispute that. whether or not you think my
> arguments are convincing is your personal opinion and you are entitled to it, but
> you rarely provide any data or references or an argument, but of course, you
> are entitled to your opinion.
I have not presented any data because I agree with you that it the type of
society in which the Old Testament was written, as well as others, discouraging
homosexuality does promote reproductive success and survival of the tribe. Where we
differ is that you think that we get our theology from such considerations. I am not
arguing with your biology but with your theology.
> See my response to richard for a discussion of the Law and righteousness.
Your previous post contained the statement, "If there are metaphysics, then the
same Law gets you into heaven." What you have said to Richard doesn't come close to
providing an adequate justification for this statement which, as I noted, is blatantly
contrary to Romans 3:20. & note also Galatians 3:21-22. The rejection of "law" as a
means fo salvation isn't limited to torah, "old" law instead of "new" law or anything
like that. We are not saved - we are not "gotten into heaven" - by any law at all.
Shalom,
George
George L. Murphy
gmurphy@raex.com
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
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