From: richard@biblewheel.com
Date: Tue Jul 22 2003 - 13:02:54 EDT
> >From: <richard@biblewheel.com>
>
> > I'm still at a loss to understand why C-12 would be any different than
the
> > other elements.
>
> You're correct, it's not.
>
> > I understand its centrality in the formation of Life, but I
> > do not understand why the IDers wouldn't just solve this problem by
> > asserting the evolution of elements through natural processes as a
> > *consequence* of fine-tuning the universe.
>
> In fact, that's the ID strategy for inanimate things like C-12. But to do
> that, however, they have to change the meaning of their key tern,
> "intelligent design." To put it as succinctly as possible, for inanimate
> things and fine-tuning the ID argument is, "If the RFEP is true, then the
> universe was 'intelligently designed' (meaning #1)." In the case of living
> organisms, however, the ID argument is just the opposite, "If the RFEP is
> false, then some living things must have been 'intelligently designed'
> (meaning #2)." Heads I win, tails you lose.
>
I see your point here, but I wonder if its really a "heads I win tails you
lose" postion. I mean it seems perfectly logical to me to assert RFEP in the
limited sense of Fine-tuning necessary for the chemistry of life while
denying RFEP is sufficient for the evolution of life.
Did I capture your argument, or is there something else going on here?
> > It seems very strange to assert
> > that C-12 has to be "intelligently designed" especially in light of the
fact
> > that we could produce in the lab....
>
> ID doesn't actually say that. It is the critics who ask the question about
> C-12 to demonstrate the inconsistency in the rhetoric. (see previous
answer)
>
Again, I don't see any inconsistency in 1) Asserting fine-tuning necessary
for the natural evolution of elements necessary for life and 2) the
impossiblity of biogenesis and the evolution of species through natural
processes alone.
Are you asserting an inconsistency between my #1and #2?
Richard Amiel McGough
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