Re: Clarification -- Re: Dawkins dissembles?

From: RFaussette@aol.com
Date: Tue Jul 22 2003 - 12:38:33 EDT

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    In a message dated 7/21/03 1:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
    Dawsonzhu@aol.com writes:

    > Democracy is a tough and costly institution to keep going.
    > It is supposed to be maintained by a commitment from voters
    > to understand who they are voting for and how the various
    > institutions of government work. This is _supposed_ to be
    > accomplised by education although I really wonder sometimes
    > what people were doing in their political science classes.
    >
    >

    People aren't taught religious fanaticism in political science classes. And
    as religion is trashed by a scientific community that scoffs at religion, (I'm
    also in a thread on evo-psych right now where they're laughing at
    Christianity) the damage to democracy and existing institutions religious fanaticism can
    arrange is overlooked, for example such behaviors as:

    A number of weeks ago (2002) a rebbe disappeared while on a day hike in New
    Hampshire. His community called for
    volunteers to search for him. Over 1,000 of them showed up, many traveling
    from New York in buses and the New
    Hampshire police had to ask them to go home because their numbers were
    compromising the police search. This is a
    display of absolutist collective behavior. For this entire community to
    respond is a phenomenal event relative to the
    response most other communities exhibit to the disappearance of a community
    member barring the involvement of civil
    authorities such as the police or other uniformed services.

    In the same manner, religious absolutism governs the tremendous political
    leverage orthodox religious communities such
    as New Square display when they transact with political entities such as Bill
    and Hilary Clinton. Only a religiously
    committed population can deliver that kind of phenomenal bloc vote.

    Such phenomenal collective behaviors as these two above cannot be reasonably
    equated with the normal response
    generated by any other but religiously dedicated communities.

    Neither christian zealots nor atheist zealots display such authoritarian
    theocratic communal behaviors nor are these behaviors commonly put before them to
    consider, particularly in political science classes. There is an excellent
    book available Real Jews, Secular Vs. Ultra-Orthodox and the struggle for Jewish
    Identity in Israel by Noah J. Efron, Basic 2002 which tells the story of the
    impossible job secular Jews in Israel have controlling their ultra-orthodox
    communities who usurp much of the government through such solidly orchestrated
    communal behaviors.

    rich faussette



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