Re: Sin, Agape, etc.?

From: Cmekve@aol.com
Date: Sun Jul 20 2003 - 01:12:17 EDT

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    In a message dated 7/19/03 4:39:21 AM Mountain Standard Time,
    gmurphy@raex.com writes:

    << The law has two basic functions:
        1) It maintains order in the world (civil use).
        2) It makes people aware of their sin (theological use).
     Those who are justified in Christ are free from the law (Rom.10:4). But
    Christians
     in this life are still sinners (as well as saints!) & thus always need to
    hear the
     law in its 2d use. They also live in the world with others, including
    non-Christians,
     & for the sake of their neighbors are subject to the law in its 1st use.
     
        I think the question at issue here is whether or not the law has a "3d
    use" as a
     guide for the Christian life. The Reformed tradion has generally said
    "Yes." The
     Lutheran tradition has been somewhat ambiguous about this but I think most
    consistently
     says "No." This does _not_ mean that Christians are not subject to the law
    at all, but
     simply that it functions for them in the 2 ways noted above, & that there is
    no
     distinctively Christian use of the law. To put it another way, apart from
    use #1 the
     law always has a negative function - "the law always accuses."
     
    >>

    George:

    What you say above is true but it seems to lead to typical modern Protestant
    (not just Lutheran) antinomianism. If I understand them correctly (and that
    could be a big 'if'!), a number of Lutheran theologians have responded to
    Veritatis Splendor by emphasizing a third use of the Law. David Yeago and Reinhard
    Hutter have been most vocal. For instance Hutter writes:

    "Thus according to Luther's eschatological understanding of faith, when
    Christ himself, the new Adam, is present in the believer, there is no difference
    anymore between God's gospel -- God's forgiving, restoring, and sanctifying
    acrtivity in Christ -- and God's commandments as the gospel's creaturely form of
    freedom. Christ's law, Luther says, "is faith, that is, that living and
    spiritual flame inscribed by the Spirit in human hearts, which wills, does, and
    indeed is that which the law of Moses commands and requires verbally..."" ["The
    Twofold Center of Lutheran Ethics: Christian Freedom and God's Commandments", in
    Bloomquist and Stumme, 1998, The Promise of Lutheran Ethics, p44]

    It seems that the argument is that perfect gospel freedom IS following the
    Law (of course always keeping simul justis et peccator in mind during this
    life). I probably haven't been very clear as I'm still trying to absorb it myself.
     Anything here you can sink your teeth into and comment on ?

    Karl
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    Karl V. Evans
    cmekve@aol.com



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