From: Sondra Brasile (sbrasile@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 16 2003 - 20:45:53 EDT
Rich,
Exactly! Don and others are forgetting about the FIRST commandment; love,
honor and obey God. Jesus put it this way, "'Love the Lord your God with all
your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all
your mind'"
We love God first and foremost, if we love him... we obey him. How can we
love Him if we don't obey him? He said not to indulge in homosexuality, so
how can we truly love him if we disobey his commands?
You cannot ignore this love-obedience relationship then skip right to "agape
love" between two humans makes an abomination into a beautiful thing.
In no way do I agree with parents beating their children, I was merely using
that equally real, equally WRONG circumstance to point out that the "if it's
done in agape love" idea is lacking.
Sondra
>From: RFaussette@aol.com
>To: asa@calvin.edu
>Subject: Re: Sin?
>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:22:11 EDT
>
>In a message dated 7/16/03 11:45:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>sbrasile@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > You said "So the question remains as to whether any act done by a truly
> > sanctified Christian truly motivated by agape is in itself wrong. We're
> > talking about _in principle_ here, rather than in practice, because in
> > practice anything and everything can be sinful."
> >
>
>
>How can a TRULY sanctified Christian TRULY motivated by agape sin? Isn't
>that
>a contradiction in terms? I am either doing the will of the Father or I am
>not doing the will of the Father. The question is - have I properly
>discerned
>the will of the Father? and if I have not, is that my fault or the fault of
>Christianity?
>
>
> > We would have to then include Christian parents who beat their children
>to
> > death or half to death trying to "discipline" them. Parents who are
>fanatics
> > often believe they will "save" their children's souls from eternal
>damnation
> > if they can "make" them behave or even kill them before the age of
> > accountability. Believing they are sparing them, they do "love" them
>with
> > agape love, but also commit murder or severely abuse them, willing to
>take
> > whatever punishment comes upon themselves, in a physical (in this life)
>or
> > the spiritual (in the next) sense, "sacrificing" their own lives (or
> > eternities) for the eternity of their children.
> >
> >
>
>These Christian parents are ignorant if they do indeed come close to
>murdering their children in the pursuit of discipline. Christianity does
>not
>necessarily proffer wisdom. It is a belief system that many fail to live up
>to or at
>times as in the case you mention even understand. The religion itself and
>the
>behavior of individuals who claim to be working in the name of the religion
>are
>two different animals.
>
>rich faussette
>
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