Re: Clarification -- Re: Dawkins dissembles?

From: Jay Willingham (jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com)
Date: Tue Jul 15 2003 - 10:26:10 EDT

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    A bit of homespun wisdom might apply:

    Some folks can't see the forest for the trees.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Howard J. Van Till" <hvantill@chartermi.net>
    To: <asa@calvin.edu>
    Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:53 AM
    Subject: Re: Clarification -- Re: Dawkins dissembles?

    > > Scott Jorgenson <dscottjorgenson@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > >> General theistic belief (not necessarily
    > >> Christian) among US
    > >> scientists as a whole was surveyed to be about 40%,
    > >> and among NAS members
    > >> particularly it was surveyed to be only about 7%.
    >
    > >> Personally, I attribute
    > >> the disproportionately-high NAS numbers [for non-belief] more to the
    > >> hubris that humans too
    > >> often acquire when showered with intellectual
    > >> affirmation and stardom, than to
    > >> any native intelligence.
    >
    >
    > The question: Why might NAS members be less inclined than other categories
    > of people (scientists generally, John Q. Public, etc.) toward theistic
    > beliefs ? Several possibilities:
    >
    > 1. Dawkins/Dennett: Higher intelligence among NAS membership.
    >
    > 2. Scott Jorgenson (with agreement from Blake Nelson): The human hubris
    that
    > often accompanies praise for intellectual accomplishment.
    >
    > 3. Yet another possibility: Intelligent persons who are well acquainted
    with
    > what the sciences have learned about the evolutionary history of the
    > universe see that the majority of Christians choose to ignore that
    > scientific evidence and cling to some form of episodic creationism
    > (entailing the rejection of the RFEP, and asserting that at least some
    life
    > forms required episodes of form-conferring supernatural intervention to
    > actualize). Given their informed judgment regarding the credibility of the
    > scientific concept of evolution, and given that the example set by the
    > majority of Christian theists entails a rejection of that informed
    judgment,
    > these intelligent and well-informed persons are less inclined to join with
    > the theists.
    >
    > There was a time when I joined the chorus of persons who were quick to
    > demonize those awful atheists as the epitome of stubborn arrogance and
    > extreme hubris. Perhaps it is now time to listen more respectfully to
    learn
    > what they themselves would say. It's just possible that their choices have
    > been made thoughtfully, humbly, and on the basis of warranted
    > considerations.
    >
    > Howard Van Till
    >



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