Re: Dawkins dissembles?

From: Denyse O'Leary (oleary@sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon Jul 14 2003 - 09:05:06 EDT

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    Robert Schneider wrote:

    > Actually, Dawkins and Dennett are using "bright" as a noun. In that
    respect it bears comparison to the word "gay." I'm not sure I agree
    with Denyse that the promotion of "gay" was the work of "the homosexual
    lobby," whatever that is. "Gay as an adjective (according to my
    _Webster's Word Histories_) appeared in homosexual literature as an
    adjective in the late 1950s and early 1960s, but slowly moved out of the
    subculture as homosexuals became more visible in society. It is true
    that some advocacy groups for homosexuals began to use the word in the
    titles of their organizations (perhaps the "lobbies" Denyse refers to),
    but the word spread of its own accord in mainstream literature and
    press. About the same time (50s and 60s), "gay" also began to be used
    >as a noun, which is probably its most common usage now.

    Okay, so you said it yourself, Robert. The homosexual lobbies began to
    use the word "gay," adjective AND noun, to describe themselves to the
    public. My point is that mainstream culture accepted the
    self-description because the word was no longer needed for other
    important purposes. I doubt that the homosexual lobbies could have
    similarly appropriated "cool." Mainstream youth culture demanded and got
    that one.

    "Bright" - adjective or noun - won't work for the ultra-Darwinists for
    two reasons: 1) The public needs it to describe people that we think are
    smart - in a practical sense. ("Johnny is a bright kid"; "The felon they
    caught was none too bright." Et cetera.) 2) It is very dangerous to
    self-describe as bright. Anyone can prove you wrong in front of a crowd
    by catching you in a simple mistake.

    Let the fun begin.

    Denyse

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