Re: Sin?

From: John W Burgeson (jwburgeson@juno.com)
Date: Sat Jul 12 2003 - 10:42:05 EDT

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    Sheila wrote, in part: "Sin is sin. It is not a vice or an
    addiction or a problem to be indulged but something we must each
    overcome."

    I agree. Part of the sin problem is our natural disposition to read into
    scripture that which we already have been taught. The sin here is, of
    course, adding to God's Word.

    For years I simply accepted the teachings of my youth that Romans 1 was a
    blanket condemnation of all same-gender intimacy. When I became friends
    with persons who were involved in same-gender relationships, I had to do
    the hard study of examining the scriptures in depth on the issues. This
    study took a long time before I finally took a position of my own on the
    subject.

    My position statement is one which -- I find -- completely satisfies
    neither side. But it is where I am. I've referred people on occasion to
    where it may be found on my web site -- at www.burgy.50megs.com/gay1.htm
    -- however, my site statistics indicate only a few people have dared look
    at it (fear of being contaminated?). Hence, I attach it below:
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    This is my statement on a delicate subject, one on which there has been a
    lot of heat and little light generated in the past few years.

    The issue is homosexual behavior and, in particular, one's attitude
    toward it and relationship with persons who one is reasonably sure engage
    in it. I have studied the issues fairly thoroughly during the past few
    years, and have decided to take a position on it.

    A key definition:. The word "homosexual" means a person attracted
    sexually to persons of the same gender. Such a person may, or may not,
    act on that attraction.

    It is plain to see that scripture proscribes "perversions," and that
    seems to include both homosexual and heterosexual perversions. But there
    is the argument that when homosexual activity takes place only in an
    adult loving long-term domestic relationship, such activity is NOT
    proscribed by scripture, anymore than when heterosexual activity takes
    place under the same conditions.

    This argument does NOT claim that scripture condones such activity, only
    that it is silent about it. The argument is developed well, I think, in a
    book by the Catholic theologian Daniel Helmaniak; all the relevant
    biblical texts are discussed. My notes and review on that book are on my
    website, along with a similar set of notes on a book countering
    Helmaniak's arguments by Thomas Schmidt. See page 2, section 10. Other
    materials and links are also provided.

    I've studied those books, and many more, and have engaged in internet
    dialog on the subject extensively in the past years. I have come down on
    the side of Helmaniak's position. I personally know a number of
    homosexual persons, some of whom practice their attraction, and some who
    do not. On the basis of both scriptural arguments and knowledge of
    people, I must take the position, unpopular as it may be in American
    Christianity, that the specific case I cite above is, as far as I can
    discern, not a "sin" in the eyes of God.

    Helmaniak's scriptural arguments are persuasive in convincing me that the
    Bible does not proscribe that case; arguments from scientific findings
    all indicate the homosexual condition is caused by a combination of
    genetics and upbringing, most probably more the first, and that personal
    choice seldom has anything to do with it.

    In the end, I have to say my position is not 100% sure; I could be wrong.
    I have two choices:

    1. I can side with fundamentalist Christianity, Dobson and his FOTF being
    one source I might follow, and declare that all homosexual activity of
    any kind anywhere is a "sin" in God's eye's, or

    2. I can declare that I find no reason to include the specific case I
    cite above as "sin."

    If I take position 1, and I should have taken position 2, I do grievous
    hurt to some of God's people, falsely accusing them of sin where there is
    no sin as far as God is concerned. When I do this, I have read into
    scripture what is not there; I have added to God's word.

    If I take position 2, I may, indeed, be wrong, but I have done no harm to
    anyone. I have failed, it might be argued, to have studied and understood
    God's word as much as I should, but then, that is probably true of all of
    us anyway.

    So even if I were 50:50 on the issue, I'd have to select position 2.

    Feel free to challenge me on any of the above; I am used to talking about
    it and I think I can respect all opinions. I'd be delighted if you'd
    "buy" my position, but it is enough if you just hold it as a "live
    option" in your own thinking.

    John W. Burgeson
    Stephen Minister
    Denver, Colorado
    8-7-2001
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    Thanks for the dialog, Sheila. I respect your position (once my own),
    even though I disagree with it.

    John Burgeson (Burgy)

    www.burgy.50megs.com

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