From: Debbie Mann (deborahjmann@insightbb.com)
Date: Wed May 28 2003 - 10:07:27 EDT
"At what threshold is someone's appetite one to which a person should not
> yield in your opinion?"
This stimulated the following:
Want a big challenge? Put these verses together in a sermon.
ICor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such is common to man, :
but God is faithful who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are
able....
Romans 3:23 All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
ICor 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient.
and
Rom 2:1 takn in light of Romans 1, which includes the classic injuction
against homosexuality as well as a scathing list of other sins including
gossiping, disobedience to parents, without understanding and other rather
all encompassing sins.
Therefore you have no excuse or defense or justification, O man, whoever you
are who judges and condemns another. ...
I personally lost my temper yesterday. Flippin computer ate my work and I
couldn't even figure out why or how.
It's one thing to discuss whether or not one defines sin as thus and so (or
Christian for that matter)- but how do we react to the person who is 'living
in sin'? Aren't we all at least living with sin?
I thank God that my taste goes to large hairy men and I have one sleeping in
my bed right now, to whom I am married. I also thank God that when I stuck
my foot in my mouth this weekend and chewed on my toes for a bit, my hostess
rescued me and graciously continued the conversation such that I did not
look a fool. She was the victim of my foot chewing. Was that sin? I didn't
do it intentionally. But, I also did not lose my temper intentionally and I
am quite sure that that was sin. (I yelled at my poor daughter/assistant,
who goes rather dim when she knows I'm angry - which doesn't help matters at
all.)
So I confessed my sins to God and daughter and I am forgiven. Until the next
time. A few days, weeks or months from now - I will probably need to repeat
the process.
And I find no pleasure in it - no fulfillment of any desires or loneliness
or yearning. I don't want unrighteous anger in any way shape or form.
I agree that sex outside of marriage, between any two people, is wrong. But,
I see no point in drawing any lines - or throwing any stones. There is a
line to be drawn in terms of foolishness about personal safety. And we do
need to use wisdom in being yoked. (What defines 'yoked'? - another
discussion.)Otherwise, the sinner is welcome at my table.
-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of Michael Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:47 PM
To: Walter Hicks; John W Burgeson
Cc: RFaussette@aol.com; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: Do non-U.S. Christians say "God Bless America?"
What about Tillich's mistress? Did T have an option there? Was it wrong?
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Hicks" <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>
To: "John W Burgeson" <jwburgeson@juno.com>
Cc: <RFaussette@aol.com>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Do non-U.S. Christians say "God Bless America?"
>
>
> I know how you feel, John, but it certainly is true that color of skin and
> sexual "orientation" are not in the same category. Changing skin color is
> not an option.
>
> However, I too know some people who admit to a homosexual inclination but
> they resist it and behave according to sexual norms and much of what the
> Bible teaches. That is an option.
>
> At what threshold is someone's appetite one to which a person should not
> yield in your opinion?
>
> Walt
>
>
> John W Burgeson wrote:
>
> > >>Canadians are often afraid to preach the gospel lest the gays
> > protest.>>
> >
> > Do gay Christians protest? There are many such, you know.
> >
> > I am personally acquainted with about 8 of them, two of them are in
> > seminary studying for the ministry. Yesterday I met one who will
> > graduate from Union Seminary next Sunday with a 4.0 average. And she is
> > hurting just as much as our brothers and sisters of color hurt in the
> > days of Jim Crow.
> >
> > John Burgeson (Burgy)
> >
> > www.burgy.50megs.com
> >
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> --
> ===================================
> Walt Hicks <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>
>
> In any consistent theory, there must
> exist true but not provable statements.
> (Godel's Theorem)
>
> You can only find the truth with logic
> If you have already found the truth
> without it. (G.K. Chesterton)
> ===================================
>
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