From: Sondra Brasile (sbrasile@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat May 03 2003 - 11:33:50 EDT
Dear Rich and Debbie,
I wish I had time to go into this in depth, but I really don't. I wanted to
briefly explain how I've come to understand the issues you are discussing.
The absence of the body and presence with the Lord thing, is from what I
understand, the soul departing from the flesh which most denominations
believe happens at the time of death until the bodily resurrection spoke of
in Revelation at the great white throne judgement; when the bodies are
called up from the graves with a great shout of the voice of the archangel
and gathered from the four winds (or something like that). Unless you are
one of the denominations that believe in soul sleep, I don't know how they
treat that passage.
The clothing you don't want to be caught without would be your works. In
Revelation we get a robe of linen which is somehow based on our works, this
is where it says woe to those who are without a garment and are left naked.
Those that have no works.
I know I'm treading on dangerous ground for not doing my homework before
posting, but I'm hoping my memory hasn't failed me too badly.
I will try to get my work done and sepnd more time with this if necessary.
Sondra Brasile
>From: RFaussette@aol.com
>To: asa@calvin.edu
>Subject: Re: Resurrected Body
>Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:41:24 EDT
>
>In a message dated 5/2/03 11:22:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>deborahjmann@insightbb.com writes:
>
>
> > In regards to a physical resurrection:
> > IICor 5:6 Therefore ...whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent
> > from the Lord.
> > 8 We are confident and willing rather to be absent from the body and
> > present with the Lord.
> >
> >
>
>Is it?
>
>The ideal is described as "absence from the body?" Is that physical
>resurrection?
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>
>The Catholic Encyclopedia describing heaven:
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>
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>“In heaven, however, no creature will stand between God and the soul. He
>himself will be the immediate object of its vision. Scripture and theology
>tell us that the blessed see God face to face.”
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>
>The creature is the body. Being absent from the body (free of physical
>desire) is being present in the Lord.
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>
>I am always amazed to see sayings assumed to regard physical resurrection
>as
>also quite gnostic.
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>
>You have to ask, do they mean absence from the body while alive or after
>death?
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>
>
>A few lines before yours in II Cor. I found - "We yearn to have our
>heavenly
>habitation put on over this one - in the hope that, being thus clothed, we
>shall not find ourselves naked." Is he referring back to the nakedness in
>Genesis? Take a look:
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>When Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the “tree of the knowledge of good
>and
>evil” the “eyes of both of them were opened and they discovered that
>they
>were NAKED; so they stitched fig-leaves together and made loincloths…
>and
>hid from the Lord God.” (Genesis 3:6-7)
>
>
>
>Could this next reference in a nag hammadi text also be (or rather it must
>be!) a reference to the fall in genesis?
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>In the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus says, “When you disrobe without being
>ashamed… you will not be afraid.”
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>
>Isn't it fascinating how you can follow that thread from genesis to
>corinthians to a non-canonical gnostic text only discovered in this
>century?
>Does that suggest that genesis is tertiary?
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>rich
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