Re: Design detection and minimum description length

From: Iain Strachan (iain.strachan@eudoramail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 23 2000 - 20:43:32 EST

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    On 23 Nov 2002 20:32:23 +010 Stein A. Stromme wrote:
    >[Iain Strachan]
    >
    >| Suppose you send me 10 pairs of points (x(i), y(i)) for i=1 to 10.
    >| You don't tell me anything about whether it's designed or not
    >| designed.
    >|
    >| I claim that I can tell you if there is a correlation between the
    >| variables (for "correlation" read "design") simply via the
    >| methodology of using Minimum Description Length. If I find such a
    >| correlation, it is useful to me because I can interpolate between the
    >| specified x(i) points to make new predictions from my model. Here's
    >| how I do it.
    >
    >You detect "correlation", which is hardly surprising, but what is the
    >connection to "design"?
    >

    I think that is a sensible question, and closer to the heart of the
    ID debate than what has been going on before. What I am saying is
    that the objections Glenn is raising to Dembski can just as easily be
    applied to the detection of correlation, as the methodology (which I
    have described in terms of description length) is exactly analagous.

    It is a method of detecting non-random phenomena, of which "design"
    is one example, and correlation is another. This was simply
    addressing Glenn's point. It remains a debatable point as to whether
    if you find a sequence (such as a DNA code) that has a probability of
    less than Dembski's "Universal Probability Bound" of 10^-150, that
    you can reasonably attribute that to "Intelligent Design", or whether
    you might equally say "Design by Evolution". But I was not
    addressing that particular point.

    Hope that clarifies things.
    Iain.

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