Re: Noahic Covenant

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Date: Sun Jun 30 2002 - 02:38:35 EDT

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    Mike wrote,

    << >This conclusion agrees with the statement
    >at Gen. 7:11
    >that the waters of the Flood had two sources: (1) "the fountains
    >of the great
    >deep were broken up, and (2) the windows of heaven were opened."
    >The "great
    >deep" (Hebr. 'ˆÑˆ¥tehom rabba'ˆÑˆ¥) is used in the Bible especially
    of the sea
    >(e.g., Isa. 51:10; 63:3; Jonah 2:4).

    Glenn responded,
    << Given that the conclusion is wrong so who cares if it agrees or not
      with Genesis? >>

    Just for the record, the theory does not agree with Genesis.
    Tehom in Gen 7:11 does not refer to the sea in the sense of the Mediterranean
    Sea, Persian Gulf, etc. As most commentators note, the verse is an implicit
    reference back to Gen 1:6-9, where the waters of the Tehom covering the earth
    in Gen 1:2 were divided into two bodies of water, two seas. One of them was
    above the sky, the other was around the earth, as a circling ocean off of
    which the seas like the Med and Persian Gulf were extensions. What is not
    mentioned explicitly in Gen but is implicit in the earth appearing out of the
    waters in 1:9 is that the one sea that surrounded the earth was also beneath
    the earth as a foundation (Psa 24:2; 136:6). It is this lower sea, which was
    understood to be the source of water for the fountains that were used for
    irrigation and in Gen 7:11 it is paired implicitly with the upper sea, which
    was understood to be the source of water for rain. (The rabbis understood the
    tehom above the sky to supply water to the clouds, which then carried it to
    various places and dumped it).

    Below are the primary evangelical OT biblical scholars' relevant comments:
    Gordon Wenham, commenting on Gen 7:11, says, "All the springs’Ķsuggesting
    water gushing forth uncontrollably from wells and springs which draw from a
    great subterranean ocean ("the great deep")." [Gordon Wenham, Genesis 1-15
    (Waco, TX: Word Books, 1987) 181.] Bruce Waltke says, "The earth is being
    returned to its precreation chaos by the release of the previously bounded
    waters above and by the upsurge of the subterranean waters (See 1:2, 6-9,
    8:2)." [Bruce K. Watke, Genesis ((Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2001) 139] Kenneth
    Mathews writes, "Subterranean waters 'burst forth.'" [Kenneth Mathews,
    Genesis 1-11:26 (Nashville: Broadman & Holman, 1996) 376. Victor Hamilton did
    not comment on the "fountains of the Deep," but did say that the flood waters
    "returned to their original position, either above or below the earth." [The
    Book of Genesis Chapters 1-17 (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1990) 300].
    Most tellingly, even the Seventh Day Adventist OT scholar Gerhard Hasel, who
    believed in a global flood in the modern sense, made a thorough study of the
    phrase "fountains of the deep" and concluded,
    "In Genesis 7:11 the meaning of "burst forth" refers to a breaking open of
    the crust of the earth to let subterranean waters pour out in unusual
    quantity. Accordingly "all the fountains of the great deep burst forth" may
    be taken to refer to the fountains, which in normal times furnished
    sufficient water for the needs of men and animals and the irrigation of the
    fields." [Gerhard F. Hasel, "The Fountains of the Great Deep," Origins 1(2)
    (1974) 67-72.]

    The everyday seas like the Med are, after the creation, regularly referred to
    with the word yam. Tehom is thereafter used for the sea under the earth which
    was indeed connected to the regular seas but still thought of as separate,
    particularly as a source of fresh water for agriculture, which the regular
    seas were not. Since the Tehom is below the earth, it is sometimes used to
    simply mean "lower parts, or depths" especially in the plural. And the plural
    is also used to refer to fountains which come up from the Tehom beneath the
    earth.

    In Isa 51:10 the sea which was parted by God at the Exodus so that the
    Israelites could cross it is called the "great tehom." It was called the
    "great tehom" because, at the Exodus as at creation God showed his
    sovereignty and power over the waters and because both at creation and at the
    crossing of the Sea of Reeds, the sea was divided by God. It is not a
    metaphorical, not a literal use of the term.

    In Isa 63:13 (not 3) one sees the same thing with the dividing of the waters
    explicitly mentioned in the previous verse; but here the plural is used and
    should probably be translated "depths"

    In Jonah 2:5, Jonah says he is compassed about by the waters even to his
    _soul_. This is paralleled in Psa 69:1, "Save me, O God; For the waters are
    come in unto my soul." The thrust is figurative (Cf. v. 2 where he prays "out
    of the belly of Sheol"). He then speaks of sinking into the realm of the
    Tehom beneath the earth, as the next verse indicates where he goes down to
    the roots of the mountains (beneath the earth, not in the Med. Sea) and the
    bars of the earth or Sheol closed on him (beneath the earth, not in the Med.
    Sea).

    You can see in Hasel's paper most of the reasons why OT scholars identify the
    "fountains of the great Deep" with fresh-water springs. You can read the
    paper at http://www.grisda.org/origins/01067.htm.

    Paul



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