Re: Question to David Campbell, Robert Rogland and George Murphy

From: Terry M. Gray (grayt@lamar.colostate.edu)
Date: Fri Jun 28 2002 - 23:10:38 EDT

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    Burgy,

    As one who might be more sympathetic to the Chicago Statement than
    many on this list, let me give you an interpretation of this that
    doesn't quite go where you seem to think it goes.

    The final sentence that you quoted:

    "We further deny that scientific hypotheses about earth history may
    properly be used to overturn the teaching of Scripture on creation
    and the flood."

    can simply be understood to say that science does not or cannot stand
    over scripture to determine its meaning. Day-age or literary views of
    creation or local flood theories are not established by science
    (although science may induce us to re-examine a traditional
    interpretation)--if they are established, they are established by
    proper rules of historical/grammatical interpretation not by some
    authority that stands over scripture.

    For example, in my heresy trial, I never argued that science shows
    definitively that humans have animal ancestors and thus we must
    revise our interpretation of Genesis in order to "accomodate" that
    truth, but rather, our traditional interpretations may be in error
    and the scientific theories may enable us to see a correct
    interpretation that is not in conflict. This is much the view of
    Charles Hodge in the 19th century when dealing with the old earth
    geology that was just then emerging.

    Although I was originally charged with placing science as an
    authority over the Bible, those charges were not sustained because of
    the above explanation.

    Finally, I must echo Michael Roberts' distinction between the
    fundamentalist doctrine of inerrancy (Lindsell for example) and the
    Old Princeton/Westminster doctrine of inerrancy. We may not like the
    word inerrancy because of what Lindsell et al. have done with it, but
    it doesn't necessarily make it a bad word--in the theological circles
    I roam in it is nearly synonymous with infallibility (although some
    small distinctions are made--for example, J.I. Packer writes
    "Infallibility signifies the full trustworthiness of a guide that is
    not deceived and does not deceive...Inerrancy signifies the total
    truthfulness of a source of information that contains no mistakes."
    New Dictionary of Theology

    The Old Princeton/Westminster doctrine has little difficulty with the
    concept of accomodation or phenomenological language (as advocated on
    this list by Paul Seely and others). They would NOT call these
    errors. A nice collection of essays by folks in this tradition is
    *Inerrancy and Hermeneutic* edited by Harvie Conn.

    Someone earlier emphasized the "faith and life" limitation seemingly
    endorsed by some Reformed confessions. While I understand the point,
    I want to be as cautious as the Chicago statement here as well. (See
    my "The Role of the Bible in the Scientist's Work" at
    http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Physical%20Science/Gray1999.html.)

    TG

    >This afternoon I was reading the responses to my earlier challenges by
    >you. It does seem that the issue of "biblical inerrancy" plays an
    >important part in our understandings (or misunderstandings).
    >
    >I found the following definition on a web site and wonder if it in any
    >way corresponds to your understanding. I suspect it may be too
    >fundamentalist, but I'm not sure.
    >
    >Article XII of the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy reads: "We
    >affirm that Scripture in its entirety is inerrant, being free from all
    >falsehood, fraud, or deceit. We deny that Biblical infallibility and
    >inerrancy are limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes,
    >exclusive of assertions in the fields of history and science. We further
    >deny that scientific hypotheses about earth history may properly be used
    >to overturn the teaching of Scripture on creation and the flood."
    >
    >John Burgeson (Burgy)
    >
    >http://www.burgy.50megs.com
    > (science/theology, quantum mechanics, baseball, ethics,
    > humor, cars, philosophy and much more)

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