Re: Christ's return/ was Scripture and the ASA

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Wed Jun 19 2002 - 14:10:31 EDT

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    Mike,
    As I see it, the difference between Jan and you on this depends on
    whether one is amil or premil, which entails (oversimplifying) a single
    aspect or a dual one to the second coming. Both views have a long history
    and will not be settled by your declaration.
    Dave

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:43:49 EDT MikeSatterlee@cs.com writes:
    > Jan,
    >
    > You wrote: at Christ's return: all those who do not accept Jesus as
    > their
    > Saviour ... will be destroyed, going to Hell, and not accepted on
    > the new
    > earth. Scripture is pretty clear on that, I think.
    >
    > I disagree. I do not believe that the Bible teaches that God will,
    > at
    > Christ's return destroy everyone on earth except true Christians. I
    > believe
    > that when Christ returns He will judge only the Christian world.
    > Two-thirds
    > of the earth's population has never even heard the good news of
    > Jesus Christ,
    > including billions of people in lands like China and India. many
    > believe that
    > God will soon kill all of these people. I think they are wrong. This
    > does not
    > sound like the God of love, justice and mercy I worship.
    >
    > One thing that leads me to believe this is an incorrect
    > understanding of
    > scripture is that that the Bible tells us that "Judgment begins with
    > the
    > house of God." (1 Peter 4:17) Jesus also said those who will rule as
    > kings
    > with Him will "judge the 12 tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:30) To me
    > this
    > indicates that when Christ returns and draws all true Christians to
    > Himself
    > (Matt. 24:31), they will then determine who among those who have
    > heard the
    > good news of Jesus Christ and not taken it to heart are deserving of
    > death.
    > "The 12 tribes of Israel," spoken of in Luke 22:30, I believe refers
    > to all
    > those who have heard the good news preached by those whom Galatians
    > 6:16
    > calls "the Israel of God." Remember, the literal "12 tribes of
    > Israel" had
    > all heard the Law of Moses, but few had taken it to heart.
    >
    > Remember too that it was only the Jewish world which had rejected
    > Jesus as
    > their Messiah that was punished by God at the hands of Roman armies
    > in the
    > latter part of the first century, not the entire Roman empire. Also
    > to be
    > considered is a fact known by most serious students of the Bible,
    > history and
    > science. The flood of Noah's day was a local event, not a global one.
    > God
    > brought that judgment only upon a land that had heard the message of
    > "Noah, a
    > preacher of righteousness," and failed to respond to it. (2 Pet.
    > 2:5) God did
    > not take the lives of those in other parts of then widely populated
    > earth who
    > had not heard Noah's preaching.
    >
    > Interestingly, Revelation chapters 8 and 9 talk quite a bit about "a
    > third of
    > the world" being judged. And by population, the part of the world
    > claiming
    > Christianity as its religion is almost exactly one-third. (See The
    > World
    > Almanac 1998, page 654)
    >
    > If your understanding is correct, that "at Christ's return all those
    > who do
    > not accept Jesus as their Saviour ... will be destroyed, going to
    > Hell, and
    > not accepted on the new earth," who, I ask, will be left on "the new
    > earth"
    > for Christians to then rule over as "kings" and to serve as
    > "priests"? If my
    > understanding is correct, that Christ is returning to judge only the
    >
    > Christian world, Christians will then have plenty of people to rule
    > over as
    > kings with Christ for 1,000 years. And they will also then have
    > plenty of
    > people to help come to know the true God as they serve as His
    > "priests." For
    > that is, after all, what priests do.
    >
    > Mike
    >



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