-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Morton [mailto:glenn.morton@btinternet.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:54 PM
To: Shuan Rose; J Burgeson; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: happy hop-alongs of the energetic bliss
>-----Original Message-----
>From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
>Behalf Of Shuan Rose
>Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 8:21 AM
>
> Ha, you guys are just sourpusses! Have some faith in good ol' Yankee
>ingenuity! I believe that's what our current Administration is counting on.
>In short, you guys have to start thinking OUTSIDE the box,(appropriate hand
>gesture) you've got to change your paradigm, surf the Third Wave, think New
>Economy...
And my wife tells me I am a mis-anthrope also! :-)
As to thinking out of the box, one of the critical elements of success in
any endeavor is a brutal assessement of reality--where you are now. Without
that assessment, you can't fix any problems. I don't read 'success' books
but a friend of mine does and he read this year a book which addresses
exactly that issue. CEO's who are successful are both optimistic that they
can fix any problem, but they also have no fear of facing reality--whatever
it is and however bad it is.
>More seriously, I thought that Central Asia was going to be our new Middle
>East.
Without a doubt the discovery of Kashagan in Kazakhstan is very significant.
It is a 50 billion barrel field--the first one found in over 40 years. It
represents less than a 2 year world supply
And what about Antarctica. There's a whole new continent out there,
>ripe for exploitation. I mean, development
Yes, there is a whole new continent out there called Antarctica. There are
huge fields there waiting to be found. However, UN law puts it off limits;
and the environmentalists, like us, would be highly wary of ice bergs
causing oil spills.
Shuan wrote:
Seems to me environmentalists were worried about the same thing in Alaska,
but they only slowed down the oil companies. You tell Americans that
Antarctica will save them from $2.00 per gallon oil and I guarantee that
the environmentalists will be steam rollered again. As for the UN treaty, I
doubt that a little thing like international law would keep Shrub and Dick
out of Antarctica if a lot of oil were found there. Moreover, oil poor
southern nations like Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, and Chile would be
practically racing past the US to stake their claims
We could not build a platform offshore Antarctica and
expect it to survive 2 years. A company I worked for once looked at
Greenland's Davis Strait. The icebergs gouged out 100 ft deep furrows in the
ocean bottom and thus there is no place to hide (and protect) pipelines.
While environmentalists often claim oil people don't care about polluting
the world, we don't want to pollute for the very same reasons they don't
want us to--we like a pretty world. We also don't like to spend a billion
dollars only to watch the crude oil we counted on to pay us back, spilled
into the sea. That company declined to get involved in Greenland. During
the glacial ages in the North Sea, icebergs did the same job, digging deep
furrows in the ocean bottom. We see them on seismic lines. Antarctica would
have that same problem--no place to hide platforms, pipelines,
infrastructure and thus no way to bring the oil to market. So, yes, the oil
is there but no way to get it economically.
Shuan wrote:
Engineering problems! If Wally Hicks was still here, he would come up with
half a dozen solutions before sundown:) If you can send a man to the Moon,
you should be able to solve a little problem like drilling in Antarctica!
Have some faith, man! We are Christians, faith is what we do:)
In serious mode, the problems drilling in Antarctica are of the same nature
in my (amateur)opinion as drilling in Siberia, Alaska, or the North Sea.
They should be solvable, given another ten or twenty year's advance in
technology. By then, Antarctica will be the last frontier for oil companies
and I expect that the wolves will be gathering by then...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
>Behalf Of J Burgeson
>Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:53 AM
>To: glenn.morton@btinternet.com; asa@calvin.edu
>Subject: Re: happy hop-alongs of the energetic bliss
>
>
>Glenn:
>
>>>First, there is what I belive to be an obvious mistatement of numbers
>(whether you mis-heard or he goofed up is not clear). Current usage of oil
>is .028 trillion NOT .28 trillion.>
>
>My error -- I wrote 28B on my notepad and left out a zero when I wrote the
>post.
>
>>Secondly, I know of no one (other than this guy) who believes that there
>>are 6.5 trillion barrels of reserves on earth unless one is counting
>>dispersed oil (which is a wee bit of contamination in all soils and rocks
>>and occurs naturally). But that isn't RECOVERABLE oil. We will never get
>>that out of the ground.>
>
>The TV cut was ambiguous -- he may well have been talking about oil PLUS
>natural gas. You are right though - he never addressed the issue of
>"recoverable."
>
>>Now as to his claim that we shouldn't have a problem, I would like to know
>>where the oil is coming from. >>
>
>He did speak of Siberian fields -- seemed to agree with you that current
>fields are becoming tapped out.
>
>I think what bothered me about this, and other exhibits at the
>Denver Museum
>was the presentation of obviously controversial issues as if they were all
>settled. The Miller experiment of 1953, for example, "showed clearly" how
>life began.
>
>John
>
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