Re: Frustrations (was Re: Randomness)

From: bivalve (bivalve@mail.davidson.alumlink.com)
Date: Tue Jun 04 2002 - 13:14:18 EDT

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    A couple of posts raise the issue of interpreting OT passages on holy
    war, imprecations, etc.

    The question of unfolding understanding has been brought up in two
    ways in recent posts. On the one hand, there is the suggestion that
    such morally difficult OT passages represent partially erroneous
    understandings of God; on the other hand, there is the suggestion
    that Genesis 1 contains things hidden until modern science came along
    to interpret it. Matthew 19:8 shows that the OT law contains
    accommodation to the state of the people, but I would describe this
    as God's progressive revelation, not as erroneous ideas from the
    earlier writers. Likewise, hearing the Word often does not yield
    understanding, and much is clearer in hindsight (especially Messianic
    prophecy) than at the time of writing. Nevertheless, I find the idea
    of knowledge concealed in Genesis 1 regarding the means of creation
    to be unlikely, as it is superfluous. What we need to know about the
    means of creation can be determined by science; the basic purpose of
    Genesis 1 is to tell Who and why.

    >I can't square the slaughter of children with the Sermon on the Mount.<

    It seems relatively easy to reconcile it with "Do not think that I
    came to abolish the Law or the Prophets", "And if your right eye
    makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is
    better that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole
    body to be thrown into hell", and "Every tree that does not bear good
    fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire", all from Matthew's
    version of the Sermon on the Mount, or with the woes of Luke's
    version of the beatitudes. Certainly we ar not called to engage in
    warfare against people but against spiritual powers, and in this
    sense the holy wars of the OT reflect an earlier stage of revelation
    and understanding. However, these things also "happened as an
    example for us" (I Cor. 10:6). The Caananites demonstrate the
    seriousness and infectiousness of sin and the need for holiness.
    Despite having a few centuries in which to shape up (between the time
    of the patriarchs and the Exodus) and a final opportunity to!
      surrender and join God's people (taken by Rahab and the Gibeonites),
    they chose to fight. The failure of the Israelites to eliminate all
    pagan influences led to their own destruction. Another important
    aspect of holy war in the OT, in contrast to later ideas of jihads or
    crusades, is that it does not imply nor convey any merit for those
    carrying it out (as shown by the failures of Achan and Saul and by
    the use of pagan nations by God to accomplish similar judgements-see
    the discussion in Habakkuk). The laws on executing apostate Hebrews
    were no less severe than those dealing with the foreign tribes put
    under the ban. Today, we have the hope of salvation for our human
    enemies, yet at some point we are to cease offering pearls to swine
    and shake off the dust instead.
    Imprecation, as in several psalms and other prayers, again shows
    justice and the severity of sin. It also shows an honest expression
    of feeling before God and hands vengeance over to Him. Matthew Henry
    suggests a component of predictive prophecy as well; certainly the
    behaviors that brought about the imprecation do not provide optimism
    about the ultimate fate of those typified by such behavior. Again,
    in the NT we see the better way of forgiveness, yet justice will come
    to the unrepentant.

    >the "commands from God" to kill all the members, including women,
    >children and infants, of a Caananite tribe, including the specific
    >"commands from God" giving directions on how to rape a young virgin
    >from that tribe after properly running a spear through her parents<

    Actually, the regulations in question (Dt. 21:10-14) deal with the
    possibility of marrying a prisoner of war from the surrounding
    regions. If they were acting properly, they would have run a spear
    through the young Caananite virgin, too, not just her parents. The
    legislation regarding marrying a POW seems to me to place
    restrictions on existing practice, rather than to institute a bad
    idea. A waiting period is imposed, and she is to receive full rights
    as a wife. Likewise, holy war was standard for the surrounding
    nations, and the regulations in the Law regarding war seem to provide
    a higher standard than was practiced around them (Amos 1-2). The
    laws about marrying the POW also illustrate the holiness and
    distinctiveness of God's people, as the waiting period also provided
    time for her to put off of old things (cf. Ps. 45:10, often taken as
    an image of the church as Christ's bride).

    >If God did not somehow limit his omnipotence, there would be no free will. <
    Free will must be defined. The Calvinist view is that we are free to
    do as we will, but our will is to do wrong. Unless God changes us,
    we will persist in seeking evil.

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