Re: My Daughter is a YEC

From: Dawsonzhu@aol.com
Date: Tue Jun 04 2002 - 12:51:09 EDT

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    Walter Hicks wrote:

    <<
    I went to school a very long time ago -- but not
    much of any of these subjects were taught. Although
    science is more important nowadays, one can teach biology and all
    manner of subjects without getting
    into areas which are potentially offensive.
    >>

    Educators in the K-12 have for the most part have
    basically done that. At any rate, most of
    the subject material of high school biology
    class would be devoted to learning the various
    cell processes that go on, classification etc.
    In principle, these can be taught as isolated
    entities. I would comment that in a auto shop
    class, it is easier to understand the structure
    and function of the suspension system, steering
    system, and the engine by giving students a short
    history lesson about how these particular subsystems
    "evolved" than to present them with a modern day
    car with all of its fancy gizmos. Likewise it is
    _at least useful_ to use a similar "artiface" (if
    you will) to teach students cell structure/function
    and methods of classification that help support this.

    For a college course, this becomes a bit more
    problematical. It might be arguable that
    evolution is "R rated" (under 17 not admitted
    in theater parlance), but they will be exposed
    to these ideas one way or another, and at least
    from the view of an educator, we do have an
    obligation to introduce our students to methods
    of critical thinking (which would also help
    high school children when confronted with
    drugs, sex, cults, peer pressure etc.).

    Theology courses can be disappointing when you
    find that the gospel of John may not even have
    been written by John, but theology students still
    find a way to believe in God after these "let downs".
    In that sense, scholars who finally insist that John
    was written by THE John usually realize the problems
    and limitations of their particular view. In a
    similar view, evolution is most certainly one way
    we can discuss origins, and as a model it certainly
    has merit. If students after this introduction still
    chose to believe in a YEC view, they are at least
    aware that this is not strongly supported by most
    of the scientific community, nor is it supported by
    all seriously religions folk in the world (including
    Christians).

    <<
    One can be absolutely certain that there are
    humanists who love to push evolution into students
    as a means,not to teach science, but as "sneaky" way
    to push atheism. I am not being paranoid here
    because it is their openly stated goal to eliminate
    religion and parental influence over children. One
    need only read the "Humanist Manifestos".
    >>

    I think this hits more at the heart of the problem.
    Despite Michael Topper's point that most of the
    people who contributed to science in the first
    half of the 1800s were devout Christians who had
    no problem with an ancient earth, we are regularly
    presented with the science/religion conflict thesis.
    Some of the extremists types even insist that YEC
    is akin to a disease rather than a reaction to their
    own narrow minded thinking.

    Moreover, noise makers in the secular humanist
    crowd habitually pull the evolution card as some
    sort of "proof" that there is no God. It has even
    come as a shock to some when my own response is
    "I don't give a [explitive deleted] about it".

    Wouldn't it be more useful to put the matter into
    the hands of educators who have given a lot more
    thought to the big picture to help pull these
    extremist views to some middle ground? It is
    just as important for an educator to shoot down
    the "evolution == no God" mentality as bunk as
    it does to shoot down the "YEC is fact" crowd.
    Just as the book of John is not soiled if it was
    not written by THE John, it does not follow that
    there is no God because science says their is
    evolution.

    Perhaps then, this really is a matter of how
    we recruit and promote our educators in the US
    (at least). The educator does have the responsibility
    to encourage students to think, and lopsided and
    narrow minded views should be challenged in the open
    forum of a university education. Hence, whereas
    YEC receives no special favors, neither should the
    extreme views of the secular humanists. If they still
    walk away _insisting_ on their views, at least they
    have been warned.

    <<
    If one must teach evolution, there is no need
    whatsoever to present a theory of how it comes
    about. There appears to be a great emphasis on
    Darwinian evolution when it is a theory which Gould
    disputed. One can present facts without presenting
    an underlying theory --- especially a controversial
    one.
    >>

    I'm not sure I follow exactly what you are saying
    here. I do think that as educators, we should not
    teach OUR PERSONAL ideology (especially to the dispargement of ALL
    other views). Our goals and
    responsibilities are to encourage reflective thinking.
    Hence, placing a heavy slant on a particular
    metaphysical interpretation of the scientific data
    is I suspect unethical for those given the role
    of teachers.

    by Grace we proceed,
    Wayne



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