Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Griffin #2]]

From: george murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Thu May 24 2001 - 10:21:38 EDT

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    Moorad Alexanian wrote:

    > The inference that all things are designed by God is not based on faith but
    > on the study of the data that describes what nature is and how it works. Of
    > course, without faith there can be no form of knowledge. But I suppose you
    > mean something more akin to religious faith when you invoke the word
    > "faith." The data is not subjective since it is gathered by non-human
    > devices, albeit made by humans. The inference of design is subjective but is
    > compelling from the data. As I sit in my office and look around, everything
    > in it is designed. Why not so in nature? Operationally I define as objective
    > the data gathered by non-human devices and subjective is the inferences that
    > man makes. Most people find in more self-evident that there is a Creator
    > than not. Moorad

            I think your first sentence is wrong but I've said enough about such
    arguments - cf. my post on "Natural Theology."
            But I also think that the distinction between objective & subjective in
    your penultimate sentence somewhat naive. The "objective" data that a high
    energy physicist has may be a lot of swirly curves in a photographic emulsion.
    There's some "subjective" inference required to say that this is a photo of an
    event in a bubble chamber, and a lot more needed before anything can be said
    about its connection with elementary particles and their interactions. All
    data, as is often said, is theory laden. & of course in turn, all theories have
    to be tested against data. & there isn't anuy cookbook formula that tells us
    how to keep those two requirements in balance.

    Shalom,

    George

    George L. Murphy
    http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
    "The Science-Theology Dialogue"



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