Evagelical ID

From: Bjoern Moeller (dj_mic20@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon May 14 2001 - 14:54:27 EDT

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    Today (May 13, 2001) at church (Vineyard Community
    Church, Mundelein, Illinois) I experienced a live
    application of the ID argument for the existence of
    God.

    The presentation was brilliantly done by the Youth
    Leader of the Church, a High School math teacher.
    Although I think that the ID argument is an enticing
    and sophisticated philosophical argument I disagree
    with some of the scientific presuppositions of the
    argument, and I’m not even sure if it is always good
    philosophy of science.

    The central ideas of the talk were the testability of
    a scientific (or any) claim, the lacking fossil
    record, and consequently the flaws in the
    macro-evolutionary parts of the theory of evolution.
    Michael Behe and Michael Denton, among others, were
    quoted as authoritative sources, and the former’s
    mouse-trap analogy was presented.

    This experience spurts some comments and questions.

    First, is it a fact that the ID movement has succeeded
    in bringing the neoID argument out to the grass roots
    of Evangelical America? How is that, and could ASA
    learn from that?

    It occurs to me that one essential part of the
    spreading of the argument is the teaching of it at
    seminaries. My wife studies New Testament at Trinity
    Evangelical Divinity School, Deerfield, Illinois, and
    here on campus one of the textbooks for the
    Apologetics class (taught by well-trained
    philosophers) is Phil Johnson’s Wedge of Truth. From
    my conversations with the students here it seems that
    the only viable option for connecting science and
    theology is the ID thing. Would that be true for other
    evangelical seminaries as well? Nevertheless, I just
    can’t help to ponder why the ID argument should be the
    best thing to do for an evangelical Christian. Is this
    due to any specific theological assumptions, or is it
    just the alleged advantage the argument gives the
    Christian apologetic?

    Second, with regards to the testability of ID and
    science in general I won’t bother the list (as I think
    this was duly debated a few months ago), and so goes
    for Behe and Denton. But I have a problem with the
    fossil record argument. Because I’m not a scientist I
    can’t deal with the issues of the empirical data of
    evolution on standing foot, and my general question is
    therefore: What is the true (or truth approximate)
    status of the fossil record corroborating the claims
    of the theory of evolution? I guess this question
    demands a very long and complex answer, but I hope
    that there is something like a short version of an
    answer.

    Most often this argument is posed so that the
    reliability or truth of micro-evolution doesn’t entail
    the reliability or truth of macro-evolution, and while
    the fossil record that verifies the reliability or
    truth of macro-evolution is insufficient, the argument
    goes, macro-evolution simply can’t be reliable or
    true. The argument also incidentally directs attention
    to the transitional forms in the fossil records, or
    the transitional forms that should have been there,
    and lays out in detail how it is nearly impossible for
    a fish-like animal to evolve into a bird-like animal
    (apologize my unscientific terminology).

    I hope someone out there has the time and energy to at
    least suggest some answers to my questions.

    Bjorn Moller

    dj_mic20@yahoo.com

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