Re: Distal vs. proximate: Timing of design events and Pax-6

From: RDehaan237@aol.com
Date: Wed May 02 2001 - 07:34:35 EDT

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    In a message dated 4/27/01 9:25:35 AM, hvantill@novagate.com writes:

    << You are clearly using "was designed" as a verb here. To what kind of action
    does it refer?

    1. Is it (consistent with modern usage) an act of mind (or Mind) --
    conceptualizing/planning something for the accomplishment of a purpose?

    2. Is it an act of "Hands" -- a form-conferring intervention by some
    non-natural Agent? >>

    Howard,

    Here we go again.

    First, design is defined as a verb in my dictionary both as the thought or
    intent, and the action that follows from it.;

        "to conceive and plan out in the mind, to have as a purpose," and,

        "to create, fashion, execute, or construct according to a plan ."

    I take design in this double sense.

    <<By consciously choosing to blur the distinction between mind action
    (design/plan) and hand action (fabricate/assemble) the leaders of the ID
    movement have done a major disservice to all persons who wish to carry on
    meaningful discussion about
    the role of divine creative action in the formational history of the
    universe.>>

    I am in no sense a leader in the ID movement, so perhaps my comments don't
    count. Nevertheless, I fail to see why you say the distinction is blurred.
    It seems quite clear to me. Perhaps you can clarify in what sense it is
    blurred.

    Go over with me again why this is a disservice to you and others who want to
    carry on a meaningful discussion about the role of divine creative action in
    the formational history of the universe. Can you not discuss "divine action"?

    I seem to be missing something here.

    Thanks for your comments.

    Bob

        



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