What I wrote and what you say I said are totally different. That is the type
of rigorous thinking that is lacking in the speculative areas that deal with
questions of origins. You "summarize" what I said with the phrase "How many
times do you need to be told that there is more to science than physics?"
Please explain to me, how does that logically follows from what I said?
Chemistry, biology, microbiology, etc. are sciences and I can assure you
that every person that practices such disciples wants to do his/her science
they way physicist do theirs!! In fact, some will even say that those
disciplines can be eventually reduced to physics. Did O.J. killed Nicole
and her friend? Forensics science may say yes, but the answer may be no.
How many shooters killed president Kennedy? So we really know!! Those are
the sort of questions asked in historical sciences. Are the answers to these
questions conclusive? You tell me. Moorad
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Clarke <jdac@alphalink.com.au>
Cc: asa@calvin.edu <asa@calvin.edu>
Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: preposterous
>Moorad
>
>You have displayed your prejudices regarding historical science before.
Your
>most recent statement on this line was at Monday, April 02, 2001 4:06 PM:
>
>> I do not know what I would think of evolutionary theory and the history
of
>> the earth if I were
>> not a Christian. But I judge the work in that area and compare it with
the
>> rigor that is needed to do good physics and realize that most, if not
all, is
>> very speculative and may border on bad science.
>
>How many times do you need to be told that there is more to science than
>physics?
>
>What would it take you to realise that things may be demonstrated to be
true
>with out a physics like rigour (what ever that is)?
>
>How much work in historical geology have you actually done and how much
have
>you reviewed for you to make this judgment?
>
>I suggest you actually read some historical geology, select a paper or two,
and
>critique them. Here are two for starters.
>
>CLARKE, J. D. A. 1990. An Early Cambrian Carbonate Platform at
Wilkawillina
>Gorge, South Australia. Australian Journal of Earth Sciences 37: 471-484.
>
>CLARKE, J. D. A., BONE, Y. & JAMES, N. P. 1996. Cool-water carbonates in
an
>Eocene paleoestuary, Norseman Formation, Western Australia. Sedimentary
>Geology 101: 213-226.
>
>Show why these papers are lacking in rigour, speculative, and bordering on
bad
>science and you might convince me that I am guilty of these heinous crimes.
>Show that this applies to the majority of papers in historical geology and
you
>will convince me that perhaps historical geology is not "scientific".
>
>I am sorry if this is sounds harsh, but I think you can take it. If not,
my
>apologies. But you should justify such sweeping statements.
>
>Jon
>
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