Re: Creation Ex Nihilo

From: PHSEELY@aol.com
Date: Fri Jan 19 2001 - 19:01:32 EST

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    Vernon wrote:

    << In saying "I do not accept the idea that because 'earth' can mean 'land'
     or 'country' that it can have this meaning in the Flood account. The
     context of the Flood account demands a universal Flood.", you give me
     cause to believe we are in agreement. However, in your closing sentence,
     you then say "If one is not willing to maintains the biblical cosmology,
     one cannot deny to others equal freedom in dealing with the biblical
     text." - apparently introducing the qualification that unless one
     discounts all verifiable scientific knowledge concerning 'the heavens',
     and thinks as an Antediluvian, one must allow others freedom to subvert
     Gen.6-8.
     
     Surely our agreed reading of the true nature of the Flood is an absolute
     which must remain independent of changing perceptions of 'the heavens'.
    >>

    When the writer of Genesis says, "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon
    the
    earth; and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were
    covered," he is speaking of the flat earth of the universe of Gen 1 which is
    capped by a solid firmament and has an ocean of water surrounding both heaven
    and earth. It is the surrounding ocean, the ocean above the firmament and
    upon which the flat earth is floating, which is the source of the water in
    Gen 7:11 that floods the earth. The "earth" mentioned in the Flood account,
    because of the action of Gen 7:11, collapses back to a state close to that in
    which it was in Gen 1:2. If you remove the solid firmament, you dismantle the
    universe upon which the account is based and lose the surrounding ocean of
    water which is the source of the Flood----and therewith the universality of
    the Flood.

    Creation science, by reading modern science into the account and changing the
    flat earth into a spherical globe, the solid sky into atmosphere and the sea
    above the firmament into vapor or clouds, engenders so many problems which
    violate the laws of physics (such as spreading the continents all out after
    the flood thousands of times faster than is possible without adducing an
    extra-biblical miracle, raising mountains to their present heights faster
    than is possible without adducing a miracle, getting sloths (which cannot
    walk) back to their habitats after the flood without adducing an
    extra-biblical miracle, etc) that the idea of a universal flood becomes
    impossible except by way of human speculations held together by ad hoc
    miracles.
    In short from both a biblical and scientific point of view one cannot read a
    modern understanding of the heavens and earth into the biblical account
    without bringing the universality of the Flood into serious question.

    Paul



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