Re: Preprogrammed?

From: gordon brown (gbrown@euclid.Colorado.EDU)
Date: Sat Apr 08 2000 - 16:51:35 EDT

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    Glenn,

    There is a very common Arminian caricature of Calvinism in which certain
    events (such as conversion) are independent of all other events, and so
    all human attempts to influence the outcome are futile. It would appear
    that the authors of the Westminster Confession were well aware of this
    misconception when they wrote, "God did...freely and unchangeably ordain
    whatsoever comes to pass;...nor is the liberty or contingency of second
    causes taken away, but rather established." (See also Eph. 1:11 and Matt.
    10:29,30.) In other words, the means are as sure as the ends. Therefore it
    seems ironic to me that you in one of your posts portrayed the
    Sierpinski's gasket analogy as being supportive of Calvinism. Since it
    determines the end independent of the means, it seems to support the
    caricature that I mentioned rather than true Calvinism or Arminianism.

    Many of the posts on this thread appear to assume that there is a
    contradiction between God's foreknowledge and man's freedom. Even I can
    know people's *past* decisions without taking their power to decide for
    themselves away from them. Since God is outside space-time, it shouldn't
    be surprising that He can do the same for future decisions and can
    therefore plan accordingly.

    Gordon Brown
    Department of Mathematics
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0395



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