Re: Examples of natural selection generating CSI

From: Ivar Ylvisaker (ylvisaki@erols.com)
Date: Tue Nov 07 2000 - 01:12:28 EST

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    Richard Wein wrote:

    > The best definition I can think of at the moment is that design is a process
    > that looks ahead (in some sense). (Thanks to Chris!)

    If this is the definition, how do we determine that something is
    designed in cases where we are unable to question the designer?

    > Given this definition, the only processes that we know of so far which can
    > perform design are conscious beings and machines constructed by conscious
    > beings. Thus, barring some unfamiliar type of phenomenon, we could say that
    > design necessarily involves the action of a conscious being, directly or
    > indirectly. One example of a potential exception would be an intelligent
    > organism which evolved naturally without developing consciousness.

    Here is another definition that also is not fully satisfactory.

    Something is designed if it is made of ordinary materials that are
    combined in ways that are not ordinarily observed (in nature).

    I'm thinking of things like automobiles on earth or buildings observed
    by the first earth visitors to a new planet.

    A searcher for design might also ask if the object in question appears
    to have some function such as shelter.

    Examples of some things that create problems for these definitions are:

    diamonds
    wasp nests

    Actually, animals build a number of structures that do useful things,
    e.g., bird nests, spider webs, various kinds of burrows, etc. This
    implies that evolution is a design process though not one that looks
    ahead.

    On another planet, an unintelligent animal that assembles some fairly
    elaborate buildings is not totally unreasonable. If a wasp can
    construct a wasp nest, why can't an unintelligent ape-like creature
    construct something like the pueblos of the southwestern US?

    DNA is commonly observed in nature (at least, by sophisticated observers)
    and, hence, is not a designed object by the above definition.

    Ivar



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