Another good review of Dembski

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Date: Sun Oct 01 2000 - 19:52:57 EDT

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    Some excerpts

    nformation of more than 500 bits is designed

             Dembski defines Complex Specified Information, CSI, as "any
    specified information whose complexity exceeds
          500 bits of information" (p166). Chance cannot generate CSI. However he
    didn't translate that into a concrete DNA
          sequence length. I did not find it in his book. If he consulted Yockey
    (11) he would have noticed that the
          cytochrome-c family of genes has an information content of 233 - 373
    bits. This is lower than 500 bits. So although
          cytochrome-c undoubtedly contains information, it does not classify as
    CSI. So cytochrome-c is not an example of
          design and could be generated by chance according to Dembski's
    criterion. This is a rather unexpected result.

    Law of Conservation of Information

    Biologists don't know all the details of the solution of the first question:
    the origin of life. The simplest free-living
          organism, Mycoplasma genitalium, has 468 genes. This would exceed
    Dembski's boundary of 500 bits, I guess.
          Could this evolve gradually? We need data and experiments. Although
    Dembski tries to escape a positive answer
          to the second question, he finds himself saying: "selection introduces
    new information" (p177). Dembski also seems
          to accept that information can flow from the environment to an
    organism, thereby increasing the organism's
          information content. Both statements contradict his main thesis that
    natural processes cannot generate Complex
          Specified Information. On other pages he is so attached to the Law of
    Conservation of Information ('Only Information
          begets Information', p183) and the belief that CSI cannot be generated
    by natural processes, that he is forced to
          believe that CSI existed before the origin of life: CSI could be
    'abundant in the universe' and 'CSI is inherent in a
          lifeless universe'.

    [...]

      I think Dembski must agree with Davies' claim: "Random mutations plus
    natural selection are one surefire way to
          generate biological information, extending a short random genome over
    time into a long random genome." [3,
          p120]. Dembski must accept that genes like cytochrome-c can be produced
    by mutation and natural selection,
          because they are smaller than 500 bits.
          If selection can do this: what are the limits?

    False positive

     The Fibonacci series is a sequence of numbers where each number is the sum
    of the two previous numbers:
          1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,... It is called after the thirteenth-century
    Florentine mathematician Leonardo Fibonacci who first
          defined it.
                            A surprising fact is that the Fibonacci series can be
    found in the arrangement of leaves on the
                            stem of higher plants. In the great majority of
    plants with spiral arrangement, the arrangement
                            conforms to Fibonacci numbers [6]. Now this looks a
    perfect case of design [10]. Is it indeed a
                            case of design according to Dembski's Explanatory
    Filter? Is it a contingent system? The
                            Fibonacci spiral pattern is not the only one present
    in the plant kingdom. There are other
                            patterns. So there is no necessity. Is it a complex
    system? It is as complex and as non-random
                            as Dembski's pattern D of binary numbers on page 137.
    Is it a specified system? A specified
                            pattern needs to be independent of the event. The
    Fibonacci sequence is independent of the
          pattern of leaves, because it is 100% determined by the mathematical
    rules defined by Fibonacci. Is side
          information involved? Of course: knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence
    functions as side information and thereby
          renders the Fibonacci sequence a specification. That side information
    enables us to construct the Fibonacci
          pattern to which the leave pattern conforms, without recourse to the
    actual observation. So we have here Complex
          Specified Information and so Dembski is forced to conclude intelligent
    design. But the arrangement of leaves on the
          stem of a plant is a perfectly natural process, as was shown for
    example by a simple physical model [6,p115]. So
          the Fibonacci pattern of leaves is not intelligently caused and is a
    false positive for Dembski's design criterion.
          Thereby making the Explanatory Filter an unreliable criterion for
    design.

    Check out his other excellent commentaries
    http://home.wxs.nl/~gkorthof/

    Review of Behe
    http://home.wxs.nl/~gkorthof/korthof8.htm



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