RE: science can study the effect of an Intelligent Designer on the natural world (was MN...))

Pim van Meurs (entheta@eskimo.com)
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:22:41 -0700

>What about the killing of abortionists by Christians ? What about the
> >massacres in Serbia?

JB: What about the abortions themselves? I'll say the killing of abortion
doctors by people who called themselves Christians was wrong, but I'll also
say that abortion is just as wrong.

So morality is not related to Christanity?

JB: And what about the massacres in Serbia?
Are Christians responsible for them? How about the problems there've been in
Ethiopia and Eritrea? Or Rwanda? Iraq? India and Pakistan?

I am merely pointing out that Christian morality is not better (or worse) than non-christian morality.

>Christianity hardly has a reason to be proud of its track record and
> >certainly there is no proof that christianity is more moral or that a
> >christian society is more moral than a non-christian one. In fact, >the
>Netherlands which is far less religious than the US has a far >better track
>record.

JB: Prove it. You're trying to use specific occurrences that seem to support
your point. Prove that Christianity shouldn't be proud of its track record.

Research has shown that religious people are not more moral than non-religious people. Should Christians be proud of their track record ? More proud than non-Christians? I doubt it.

JB: I agree there have been some problems stemming from it before, but prove
this is a 'track record'? Where are your facts about how religious each
country is? Did you ask a significant % of the population whether they were
religious or not? Did someone else?

That would be a start yes. Being a dutch native I do understand that culture quite well.

>Perhaps you should consider trying to get some facts?

JB: Remember that yourself.

Well, I am glad that you admit at least that you had no facts.