Re: Evolution archive list

Chris Cogan (ccogan@sfo.com)
Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:49:57 -0700

>Hi Brian:
>
>Everyone is responsible for modifying their individual religion, world view
>or philosophy to be compatible with reality as they see it. Some Theists
>have apparently even successfully adapted to Darwinian Fundamentalism;
others
>can't. For several centuries we have trusted science to define reality.
>What if people stopped trusting science? It was only recently that some
>official science organization deleted from their definition of evolution:
>
>"Evolution is a contingent, random process--without plan, meaning or
purpose."
>
>Some materialists expressed indignation at the deletion. However, no one
can
>possibly know whether ANYTHING in nature is "random, without plan, meaning
or
>purpose". If scientists make dogmatic statements about things they can't
>know, people might lose trust in them. Personally, I am suspicious of any
>biologist who offers an emotional defense of Darwinism (whatever Darwinism
>means). Some people claim they don't give a damn what the public
>thinks--those apparently more eager to "defeat" creationists, rather than
>find common ground for coexistence. You were disappointed that common
ground
>wasn't a definition of methodological naturalism. I'm disappointed it
isn't
>"design". No one can possibly know whether the universe was designed.
>Nevertheless, many defenders of Darwinism seem to regard "design" as
another
>form of creationism--something to be attacked and stamped out.

Chris
Well, it IS another form of creationism, unless you are saying that the
designer passed his design on to someone else to do the actual creation. It
has essentially the same flaws as creationism, as well, and for the same
reasons. It is arbitrary, a violation of Occam's razor, requires special
evidence that is still lacking, etc.

Of course, the DEFINITION of evolution should not say anything about the
meaning or purpose issue, and it doesn't need to, since evolution is just
the development of information storage, information variation, and
information culling in different forms. Whether the processes of information
variation and culling are directed or performed by some "Cosmic
Animal-Breeder" or by purely natural processes is a different matter. But,
of course, without special evidence to the contrary, such as the ACTUAL
(rather than merely asserted) discovery of irreducible complexity, the
Occam's-Razor presumption must be that both are natural processes,
particularly since our knowledge of physics, chemistry, and of the
requirements of continued survival of a species leads to predictions that
variations and culling will be of the kinds we do in fact see (variation:
genetics, with mutations, recombination, etc.; culling: animals obviously
unfit for a particular environment don't do as well as animals that are fit
for it; a fish that cannot get oxygen from water OR air will die; this is
not, despite some creationist claims, a mystery that can only be alleviated
on theistic grounds).