Re: Flood Model and dinosaurs

Kevin O'Brien (Cuchulaine@worldnet.att.net)
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:47:35 -0700

>>You ignored the most serious error of all.
>>>
>[....]
>>
>>The fatal error to you model is that these animals would have shared all
>>characteristics that would have sorted them from other drowned animals, so
>>they should have ended up in the same-age sediments, yet they did not.
The
>>most obvious reason why they did not is because they were not
>>contemporaries; ie, they lived at very different and sometimes widely
spaced
>>times.
>>
>
>You have chosen to accept a model that relies heavily on vast amounts of
>time.
>

Not really, I simply used the implications of your own model. Your model
assumes that either the animals were sorted by the flood into their various
fossil sediments by various mechanisms, or the animals lived at different
times. I simply demonstrated that if they were sorted by a global flood,
certain animals should have been sorted into the same-age sediments, but
were not. Since your sorting model failed this simple test, the only
alternative is that they lived at different times.

>
>Such long ages are inferred from measureable data, but not directly
>observed.
>

There are lots of things inferred from measureable data that are accepted by
science as being real, but have never been directly observed. Things like
atoms, electrons, protons, neutrons, leptons, neutrinos and quarks; like
gravity, photons, gluons and bosons; like enthalphy, entropy and free
energy; like ATP, NADH, coenzyme A and ascorbic acid; etc.; etc.; _ad
infinitum_; _ad nauseum_. I invite others to add to this list.

The point is, if the evidence for something is strong enough -- like deep
time -- you don't need to observe it directly to believe it. After all,
when was the last time you directly observed the Holy Spirit?

Besides, creationists discovered deep time at least 50 years before Hutton
and Lyell developed uniformitarianism; in fact, you could say that
uniformitarianism would not exist if the creationists had not discovered
deep time first.

>
>You have faith in that inference, even though it may be
>mistaken.
>

If by faith you mean I worship deep time, or I consider it a supernatural
phenomenon, or that I don't need proof to accept that it is real, you are
wrong. If, however, you mean that I have confidence that I can trust the
data that supports it, you are right. You have never to my knowledge
offerred any evidence that would refute deep time. You have questioned the
evidence that supports it, and you have described your conviction, based on
your Biblical paradigm, that deep time is not real, but you have never
offerred any evidence that would demonstrate this. If you have any, I would
like you to describe it.

>
>You have the right to choose as you do, going along with the majority of
>today's scientists. Other models seem like foolishness in comparison with
>the wisdom of the world.
>
>I believe that the concept of such long ages is a serious error, even
>fatal. But the Lord is merciful and gracious. He desires to dwell with
>you, and with me
>
>He knows the truth of earth history. And we will know, even as we are
>known. We can look forward to that.
>
>Exodus 14:13
>

Thank you for demonstrating that when you are confronted with evidence you
cannot refute, you abandon all pretense at scientific argument and retreat
fully into your paradigm. Few creationists are that honest.

Kevin L. O'Brien