"Lets say for the moment we do not have Scripture and are left to draw
conclusions based only on the physical data: what conclusion would you
draw? That's what I mean in this context by "created""
And in response to my asking if he could be say something more specific
regarding what he meant by his reference to "it came from nothing" as an
alternative to "creation", Art says:
"Sure, but not on the basis of the empirical data alone."
Sorry Art, I'll have to bow out of this exchange. I haven't a clue what you
are driving at.
Howard Van Till