Re: references to the journals and books showing that evolution has not occured

Pim van Meurs (entheta@eskimo.com)
Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:49:18 -0400

----My main point is this:
JQ: Surely out of the billions of animals and people that have moved on
the earth for 1000's of recorded years there should be one example of
tissue forming, cell forming, organ forming and etc evolution. I get your

But there is. However if you believe that historical books form evidence
of such incidents not happening then you are mistaken. A more common place
to look for such evidence would be in scientific journals, perhaps even
science books.

JQ: point, but the reverse argument can be made in light of what we know
about
the complexities of genetic material. We are talking about millions of
peices of information coming together in the greatest symphony of all time!

I asked you if you really believe that evolution requires a leap of a
million pieces coming together ? The whole idea behind evolution is that
it does not happen in one giant leap but in small steps and that natural
selection 'weeds out' changes which are harmful.

JQ: They have come together from total random to form the most complex
system
known. I think that this type of claim merits a little bit of evidence.

The total randomness assumption ignores the deterministic part of
evolution. But we agree that this claim merits a little bit of evidence so
1) why do you believe that these million bits have to come together from
total random to form the most complex system known ? 2) Why do you think
that evolution only applies in case of million of pieces coming together ?

JQ: And since we are setting on several thoulsand years of history I think
it
is interesting to see that there are no examples of this type of evolution.

Perhaps because 1) thousands of years form but a millionth of the history
of the earth and finding examples can be hard 2) you restrict your
definition to a small part of evolution 3) evidence and examples of
evolution are plenty but you have to include science journals in your
search.

JQ: Isn't there at at least a 'hidden' genetic code that would finally
be expressed in the past 1000's of years?

Yep, and why are you assuming that this has not happened ? After all
according to your last question, the peppered moth would do quite well as
an example.