Re: ICR and its slurs (summary reflections)

Pim van Meurs (entheta@eskimo.com)
Fri, 06 Jun 1997 18:09:39 -0400

JimL But I would continue to point that you cannot condemn Hitler without
BORROWING your morality from SOMEWHERE. Russell finds it inside his
empathy for

Like from a mythical god ? Perhaps the morality in the bible is just
humans writing their rules of what they considered moral or not ?

Jim: Here is how Kreeft and Tecelli summarize it:

Jim: 1. Real moral obligation is a fact. We are really, truly, objectively
obligated to do good and avoid evil.

Jim: 2. Either the atheistic view of reality is correct or the theistic
one.

Of course that opens up the question, which deity should be the correct
one.

Jim: 3. But the atheistic one is incompatible with there being moral
obligation.

Unproven assertion.

Jim: 4. Therefore the theistic view of reality is correct.

Since there are some problems with the preceding assumptions the
conclusion fails.

Jim: The only way out of this conundrum, for the materialist, is to deny
the truth of #1. But if he does this, he forever gives up any ability to
condemn any behavior.

Or #2 or #3

Jim: Truly, as Craig put it, the materialist cannot live consistently and
happily. For if he is consistent, he will be unhappy; if he is happy, he
is being inconsistent. I'll take theism.

Another unproven assertion.

Jim: So did Pascal. On these issues he was right, as always:

"There are three kinds of people: those who have sought God and found him,
those who are seeking and have not yet found, and those who neither seek
nor
find. The first are reasonable and happy, the second are reasonable and
unhappy, the third are both unreasonable and unhappy."

Proof by assertion based on the unproven assumption of the existance of a
god confused by subjective interpretation of one's own viewpoint that
happyness and reasonableness necessitates a deity.

Regards

Pim