Re: Glenn's faith in catfish

Glenn Morton (grmorton@gnn.com)
Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:15:04

>> >So were we all amphibians?
>> >
>>
>> Let me cite the Scripture:
>>
>> Romans 9:20 (NIV) But who are you, O man, to talk back to God?
>> "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like
>> this?'"
>>
>> That is what antievolutionists may very well be doing to God.
>>
>
>Is that a yes or a no? I believe that the scriptures are very clear that
>Adam was formed from the dust of the earth. It is the evolutionists who
>are not only talking back to God but rather ignoring Him.
>

We christians are no better than them. They talk back to God and ignore Him
in their way, we in ours. If God had wanted to he could have made us a
separate phylum with no link to the primates. He could have made us the only
photosynthetic animal if he had wanted to. This would have marked us separate
from the apes. But he didn't. We share 98% of our DNA with the Chimpanzee and
lots of pseudogenes.

I have no problem with our bodies having evolved. The epsilon globin pseudo
gene is found in the same genomic location in Chimp, gorilla, man and gibbon.
This is worse than asking 4 of your friends to go to separate rooms and copy
the encyclopedia britannica. At some point, chosen at random, they are to
stop, randomly choose one paragraph out of the entire britannica and write it
into their copy. If you believe that it is likely for these four people to
chose the very same paragraph and insert it at the very same letter, then you
can believe that the pseudogene has happened by accident (i.e. not due to
descent.)

The pseudogene is broken and will not produce a protein because the
control section of the gene is lost in all four species. Thus, one cannot say
that this gene is necessary for life. Besides, part of the pseudogene has
been cut out of the chimpanzee's genome so if it was needed for life, the
chimp would be dead.

>Name one mutation which resulted in something improved, perfected or
>better than what it was mutated from.

This was pointed out by Chris Colby on Talk Origins.

"One example of a beneficial mutation comes from the mosquito
_Culex_ _pipiens_. In this organism, a gene that was involved with
breaking down organophosphates - common insecticide ingredients -
became duplicated. Progeny of the organism with this mutation quickly
swept across the worldwide mosquito population."

or

"Similar to ornamental plants are the varieties of fruit. The red
Gravenstein, for instance, arose as a sport from the yellow Gravenstein early
in the nineteenth century. The fact that nearly 400 apple bud mutations were
found up to 1936 in the United States alone shows the frequency with which
this kind of mutation occurs. The economic value of forms originating in
this fashion is shown by the fact that about a third of the patented fruit
varieties in the United States have arisen by somatic mutation."Franz
Schwanitz, The Origin of Cultivated Plants, (Cambridge: Harvard University
Press, 1967), p. 83

or, there is a family in Italy which has a mutation that prevents the effects
of choelesterol.

><<"There is a short note in the Sept. 94 edition of the National Geographic
(in
the Geographica section - no page number - in the front part of the magazine)
telling of a mutated gene that wards off heart disease in people in a small
town in Italy. A Dr. Sirtori of the Univ. of Milan has traced the gene to a
child born in 1780. If anyone knows of a peer-reviewed version of this story,
please post it.

-- John Viveiros>>>

die of heart attack. That is a beneficial mutation!

>And where are all the transitions>from fin to feet. You name Acanthostega and Panderichthyids but what names>do you assign all the other mutations which must have occured for these>drastic changes from fin to foot to occur?>As I have said many times, when a transitional form is found, the number of gaps in the fossil record increases by two. The legs of acanthostega are half-evolved feet. They have more digits on the end of their arms than we do and fewer than a fish has fin bones. While there is not a pure homology between the fin bones and the digits, none-the-less, there is an intermediacy here.

>Yes what? We all came from amphibians?

Yes. A long time ago.

glenn

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