Re: Interpretation (was: How long must we wait?)

Glenn Morton (grmorton@gnn.com)
Sun, 22 Dec 1996 17:51:54

>Glen, in response to the problems that you see between Genesis and
>natural history. I'm not quite sure what you were saying in your first
>question. What's wrong with sea creatures, sea mammals and birds being
>created on the same day, as long as it was long enough?
>
The days would seriously overlap because new species are being produced
throughout the geologic column. Some have suggested such a viewpoint because
of this problem but to me that makes the days meaningless or all at the same
time.

Oldest evidence of dry land 3.46 billion years ago- Science News July 15,1995,
p.47

First fish -465 myr. Ivan J. Sansom, M.M. Smith and M. P. Smith, "Scales of
Thelodont and shark-like fishes from the Ordovician of
Colorado," Nature, 379,Feb. 15, 1996.

First plants-460 myr Chongyang Cal, Shu Ouyang, Yi Wang, Zongjie
Fang, Jiayu rong Liangyu Geng and Xingxue Li "An Early
Silurian Vascular Plant," Nature, 379, Feb. 15, 1996, p.
592
Discover, Oct. 1995, p. 32.

Oldest possible bird 220 myr-Martin G. Lockley et al, "The track Record of
Mesozoic Birds: evidence and implications," Phil.
Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B (1992) 336, p. 113-134 p.
121.
Oldest land animal-440 myr W. D. Ian Rolfe, "Early Invertebrate
Terrestrial Faunas," in A. L. Panchen, The
Terrestrial Environment and the Origin of Land
Vertebrates, (New York: Academic Press, 1980),

p. 121 (this is a little out of date there may
be an older one now)

Land plants were created on day 3 which must extend from 460 myr to the
present. But with dry land being from 3.46 billion years ago, this means
that the 3rd day extends almost through the entire history of the earth.

Fish and birds are on day 5 which must extend from 465-present since new
forms are found throughout that time.

Terrestrial animals are on day 6 which must extend from 440 myr to the
present, because new land animals are found even today.

I will intersperse the dates. They do not form a sequence.

>As far as your second question is concerned I think I'll quote from Hugh
>Ross' book "Creation and Time" (pg.153).
>
> Order of Genesis 1 Events
> 1. Creation by God's fiat miracle of the entire physical universe
> (length, width, height, time, matter, energy, galaxies, stars,
> planets, etc.)
> Note: Planet Earth is empty of life and unfit for life; Earth's
> primordial atmosphere and the solar system's interplanetary
> debris prevent the light of the sun, moon, and stars from
> reaching the surface of the earth's ocean.

Since there is evidence of photosynthetic plants as early as 3.85 billion
years, we know that at the very least, diffuse light was able to reach the
surface that long ago.

> 2. Clearing of the interplanetary debris and partial
> tranformation of the earth's atmosphere so that light from the
> heavenly bodies now penetrates to the surface of the earth's ocean.
> 3. Formation of water vapor in the trophoshere under conditions
> that establish a stable water cycle.

The earliest ocean sediments are 3.8 billion years ago.

> 4. Formation of continental land masses together with ocean basins.

Oldest dry land 3.46 billion years ago.

> 5. Production of plants on the continental land masses.

460 myr ago.

> 6. Transformation of the atmosphere from a translucent condition
> to one that is at least occasionally transparent.

3.85 billion years ago due to photosynthesis

> 7. Production of swarms of small sea animals.

Ediacaran multicellular organisms first found 680 myr ago. (Science Oct 27,
1995 p. 598-604)
Vendian is from
680 myr to 590 myr.

> 8. Creation by God's fiat miracles of sea mammals and birds.

Earliest sea mammals-52 myr first cetaceans P. Gingerich, N.A. Wells, D.E.
Russell, and S.M.Ibrahim Shah "Origin of Whales
in Epicontinental Remnant Seas" _Science_, vol
220, pp 403-406

Earliest birds- 220 myr

> 9. Creation by God of land mammals capable of interacting with
> the future human race.

Earliest land mammal 220 myr- B.Haq et al, Geological Time table Elsevier,
1987

> 10. Creation by God's fiat miracle of the human species.

Earliest of genus Homo- 2.4 myr

>About the animals. In his book Hugh Ross talks about how people see
>problems in Genesis 1 because of their misinterpretation of the hebrew
>words for animals. What they meant by birds, sea creatures and land
>creatures was different than what we mean by those words today. We have
>to look at the meanings of the words to figure out what they're talking
>about.
>
Agreed, but they would have called a whale a fish which means that it should
have been with the fish and geology says it wasn't.

>Sorry about my wrong date on when geologists gave up on flood geology. I
>had heard that the general geology community gave up on it somewhere
>between 1850 and 1990, even though some people like Hutton and Lyell
>expressed their distaste for it a long time before that.
>
No problem. Most christians don't realize that the Flood was the first
thing modern science rejected about the Bible. The rejection of the
creation of life was long after that. Not even Agassiz, the last great
naturalist to oppose Darwin, held to a Global flood after learning geology.
He believed in a whole sequence of creations and subsequent destructions.
(Ramm, The Christian View of Science and Scripture, p. 131)

glenn

Foundation,Fall and Flood
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