Re: Economic irreducible complexity

Brian D. Harper (harper.10@osu.edu)
Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:16:06 -0500

At 07:04 PM 11/25/96 EST, Jim Bell wrote:
>Concerning Glenn's economic analogy, Brian Harper wrote:
>
><<It seems to me that you've given an example of an irreducibly complex
>system that is clearly not designed in the way design is used by anyone
>on this reflector, whether they be special creationist, progressive
>creationist,theistic evolutionist, or evolutionary creationist.>>
>
>Actually, I think Glenn has described a theistic evolutionary model here. What
>happened with our economy is that it was designed to develop upward. See,
>e.g., Henry Grady Weaver, "The Mainspring of Human Progress."
>
>What happened was that a lot of intelligence (e.g., Adam Smith) went into the
>design of the system, in order to unleash the powers of creativity and wealth
>production.
>
>Here is where Glenn's analogy breaks down. Take away one part of the system,
>and it will figure out a new way around it. It is not "irreducibly complex" in
>the way biological systems are.
>

A very good reply by Jim, methinks. I would certainly agree that the
economy is robust, it can respond to and survive minor fluctuations,
and that its general features were designed. My idea was that no one,
including Adam Smith, could foresee any specifics about how the
economy would evolve nor could they foresee our specific economy
today. In other words, our present economy was neither foreseen
nor designed. It is for this reason that I said it did not fit in with
the TE conception of design, however, on reflection it is possible
that it does fit some TE's ideas of design. My idea of TE is that
God designed a robust system capable of evolving, yet also foresaw
the consequences through time to the appearance of man.

But just because the economy is robust and adaptable doesn't mean
it isn't irreducibly complex. Biological systems are also robust and
adaptable.

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