> Tom Moore writes.
>
> << Purposeless is subjective anyway, and people design random elements
> into things all the time - i.e. random number generators. So, give me an
> example of what you're considering "random, purposeless design" that
> can't be designed that way by an intelligent designer.>>
>
> Hmmm, if "purposeless" is "subjective anyway," then you have defeated any
> possibility of getting an answer to your query, haven't you? How can we ever
> get an objective answer? I don't think we can operate with your initial
> premise.
>
> Anyway, let's assume intelligent beings can disceren purposelessness. An
> example of "random design" would be rocks on a beach. Design with a purpose
> would be those rocks shaped into a message like, "Hi, Tom, how's tricks?"
Are you saying rocks on a beach have no purpose? Let's see, they help
disolve oxygen in water. They provide habitates for the so-called
"designed life." As they disintegrate, they provide nutrients. Are you
really going to argue that they have no purpose unless they say something
like "Hi, Tom, how's tricks?"
>
> ID theory is extrapolative. It takes such evidences and widens the picture.
> This mode of argument, it seems to me, has been given new life by the likes of
> Mike Behe.
>
I haven't read Behe yet, so I'll reserve comment.
> Finally, your argument may prove too much. It may be impossible to find
> evidence of ultimate purposelessness because we are so obviously designed by
> intelligence.
Not really, we humans are great in see in patterns, especially patterns
that don't really exist. Purpose in an "thing" is very subjective. You
see no purpose in a randomly distributed set of rocks on the beach, I
do. You see purpose of a creator in life, I don't see any real evidence
as such.
The fact of the matter remains, if you believe in a creator as the one
described in the Bible, how can you point to anything and show me it's
designed? Why do I ask that question in that form? Because you can't
show me a single example of something that is not designed. If you
could, you'd bring into question the God of the Bible as being real.
That is, if you point out for me something that was not designed, that
means God didn't create it and you've suddenly gave yourself a big problem.
So, I ask again, can you think of an example that would disprove
intelligent design?
Tom