The viewpoint of this lurker (to a rather interesting thread) is that you
and Art are "vigorously agreeing!
The issue appears to be how you define the phrase "do science"
Steven -- in the above you use the term "do science" in line 1 and
then "the way they do science" in line 4. So I infer that you equate the two.
Art, clearly, does not.
But you both agree (I do too) that "the way they do science" appears to be
pretty shoddy.
Art says "but that's still science" and you disagree. But that's such a minor
point!
I won't even try to take sides. Not interesting.
Burgy < G >