Re: postflood life.

GRMorton@aol.com
Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:29:31 -0400

Joe wrote
>>I guess i opened up a can of worms by referring to the work of
Carl Baugh (even tho I didn't mention his name, Glenn did). I
suppose I could have been naive to take his claims about the pink
atmosphere and its psychological effects at face value, but do
you have anything to disprove these particular claims? Now the
living pteranodon - that sounds like quite a stretch - assuming
that baugh made such a claim, i would expect to see at least some
photographs and hands-on eyewitness accounts before i would
believe it.<<

My recollection from biology is tht red and blue are absorbed by
photosynthetic plants. In this I believe that Baugh is partially correct.
But I also remember reading that if you want to get people riled up, paint
the walls red. If red meant tranquility to most people, most walls would be
red.
I don't necessarily think a person naive when convinced of something wrong
If you want to believe something, skepticism goes way down. This is partly
what happened to the British Anthropological people with the Piltdown hoax.
They wanted to believe it and ignored those who protested. We are no
different than they. I have met Baugh on a couple of occasions. He can be
quite convincing. He speaks better than he writes.

Here is the quote on the Pterodactyl:

"In a 1982 Reader's Digest publication, "The Mysteries of
the Unexplained," it was related that a century ago, a very
phenomenal thing occurred. If this record is correct, and having
so many other anomolies, we certainly do not doubt this account
(also, it was related in a verifiable publication), this means it
is absolutely impossible for evolution to be the explanation of
how life forms got here.
"The article refers to the last of the great pterodactyls,
the flying dinosaurs of the Mesozoic era. They existed
supposedly around one hundred million years ago in the Cretaceous
period of the Mesozoic era. The record states that in France,
some workmen, in the winter of 1856, while working on a partially
completed railway tunnel between St. Dizey and the Nancy lines,
came across something unusual. IN the tunnel, they had broken
and removed a huge boulder of Jurassic limestone, which precedes
the Cretaceous by several million years. After they had broken
the limestone, stumbling out of the tunnel towards them was a
creature which fluttered its wings, croaked, and collapsed dead
at their feet. This creature had a wingspan of ten feet, seven
inches, with four legs joined by a membrane like a bat. What
should have been veet were long talons. The mouth was arrayed
with sharp teeth. The skin was black, leathery, oily, and thick.
Local students of paleontology immediately identified this
creature as being a pterodactyl. This was all reported in The
Illustrated London News, February 9, 1856, page 156. They
examined the limestone from which the creature had been released
and found there a cavity in the exact mold of the creature's
body. If this is true, it is absolutely impossible for that
creature to have lived more than a few thousand years in any form
in hibernation. It would have been impossible for it to have
lived more than a few thousand years under those circumstances.
The worldwide, biblical Noahic flood explains this phenomenon far
better than the evolutionary process."~Carl E. Baugh, Panorama of
Creation, (Oklahoma City: The Southwest Bible Church, 1989), p.
21-22.

Here is another Baugh claim
>> "NASA discovered some years ago that not only are the stars
giving off radio waves, some of the stars are giving off one
million times as much radio energy as is produced in our entire
Milky Way Galaxy. Stars throughout the universe are emitting
radio wave energy. Some entire galaxies are emitting almost
nothing but radio wave energy. NASA discovered to their
amazement that not only are these stars emitting radio wave
energy, but that there is music on those radio waves of energy.
NASA also discovered that not only is music emitted but the music
being emitted is in a major key. The music being emitted from
these stars is harmonious. NASA compared the music being emitted
from these star sources to the instruments of an orchestra that
are all in tune with each other."~Carl E. Baugh, Panorama of
Creation, (Oklahoma City: The Southwest Bible Church, 1989), p.
64

Joe wrote:
>>I'd like to define some words. when Glenn drills a well and finds
in the cuttings from 5000' "what appears to be the fossilized
remains of a Morton's 9-legged spider" and in the cuttings from
6000' "what appears to be the fossilized remains of a Reimers
7-toed trilobite" that is OBSERVATION or DATA. When you then
assign dates to these critters and postulate how they got there,
this is not data, it is INTERPRETATION or THEORY.<<

I most certainly can assign a relative age to my name-sake 9-legged spider
and your namesake 7-toed trilobite. If yours is deeper: yours is older.
This is not observation but logic. Sedimentation must occur from above.
Thus there is no way to deposit younger aged rock under an older aged rock.
The material already deposited gets in the way.
The assignment of an absolute date is more involved and requires belief
that the rates of radioactive decay have not changed. But if they had
changed, then life would have died, so I think it is a pretty good bet that
radioactive rates of decay have remained constant. Assessing how they got
there is partly theory and partly observation. If scorpions are always found
in desert deposits today, and the rock in which a fossil scorpion is found
has all the sedimentological characteristics of a desert, then the assumption
that it lived there is quite reasonable. There are implications for this
decision which can be tested, such as you would be unlikely to find whale
fossils in the desert deposit so if you find a whale buried in this deposit
you know you need to go back to square one. Certain chemicals and minerals
are deposited in deserts but not underwater. If you find chemicals and
minerals in the rock containing the fossil scorpion consistent with what we
find in modern desert deposits, then you have confirmed your view that the
scorpion lived in an old desert. If you find other fossilized desert animals
and fossil plants with thick leaves, once again, your data is consistent
with your hypothesis. If you find weeping willow in the desert, then your
hypothesis is messed up.

Joe wrote:
>> In the Paluxy
River rock formations, the footprints of dinosaurs and what
appear to be human feet are found in the same rock layers. This
is OBSERVATION. Claiming that they are indeed human feet is
INTERPRETATION even tho we know of no other creature that has
ever existed that could have made them. But much more ridiculous
is to say as do some members of the "scientific community" that
they could not possibly be human because the evolutionary
timetable says that humans appeared after dinosaurs had been
extinct for millions of years. This is using unproved THEORY to
judge the OBSERVATION rather than using the observation to judge
the theory. Perhaps humans did live 5 million years ago as glenn
claims (i think) but regardless of when they lived or appeared,
these footprint observations indicate that humans and dinosaurs
lived at the same time. <<

In 1970 when I was still a yec, I went down to the Paluxy to see for myself.
I was not impressed with those tracks. They were so hard to recognize I had
to get the guard to show me. They were not definitive in my opinion and much
of what I have seen in pictures of 14" footprints are nothing but holes in
the ground in an oblong shape. Even John Morris who wrote _Tracking Those
Incredible Dinosaurs_ now says they are not human footprints. They appear to
be the very first stages of the erosion of the dinosaur tracks. When they
erode out, there is a dinosaur track where there used to be something that
resembled a human track.

Joe wrote:
>>Something else I don't know the answer to; just how accurately
can we measure the trace amounts of radioactive isotopes that we
use to date rocks? In some exponential decay calculations, a
slight amount of error in the amount of isotope can lead to a
huge error when using the amount of isotope to calculate an age. <<

The best, and most expensive way, to measure isotopes is in a mass
spectrometer. This is exceedingly accurate because you are essentially
measuring atoms. Does any physicist want to state the precision level?

glenn