Re: geocentrism

Lloyd Eby (leby@nova.umuc.edu)
Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:45:28 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Gordon Simons wrote:

> In this regard, I believe Jim Blake is effectively pointing out the
> nonessentialness of "gravity" as an explanatory force when he states:
>
> "Relativity does allow us to distinguish between accelerated and
> non-accelerated reference frames. Just not the cause of the acceleration,
> or between different non-accelerated reference frames. A rotation involves
> an acceleration which we can uniquely determine experimentally - so a
> non-rotating frame is not equivalent to a rotating one."

I'm a non-physicist, so I may be completely confused about this, but:
Isn't acceleration or rotation *always* defined or described in
relationship to something that is not accelerating or not rotating (or
acceleratig or rotating at a different rate) with respect to the thing
being defined or described? If that is so, how can we specify for any
frame (F1) whether it is rotating or non-rotating, unless we have some
outside-that-frame referent (F2) for it? And then, by what means can we
specify which of those frames (F1 or F2) is at rest and which is in
motion, as, it seems to me, your statement implies. Stated differently,
motion of a frame seems to me to be observable only if the observer is not
on the frame being observed as being in motion. How, then, can anyone say
(define, describe, specify) which is rotating and which is non-rotating,
since those are specified only relationally?

Lloyd Eby
leby@nova.umuc.edu