Re: AIG and Falwell join as partners

To reply in a spirit considerably milder than Paul in Galatians 5.12 Iwould
not want to genuinely believe what he preaches with his penchant for
rubbishing other Christians. See what the AIG site says about Hugh Ross,
Dave Young, Glenn Morton etc.
Would you not agree that love is important to Christians?

Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Plowman, Guy (ELSLON)" <G.Plowman@elsevier.com>
To: "'Michael Roberts'" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>; "Robert
Schneider" <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>; <asa@calvin.edu>; "John W Burgeson"
<jwburgeson@juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: AIG and Falwell join as partners

> To be fair, whether you agree with Ken Ham or not, given that he genuinely
> believes what he preaches, you have to admire him. I don't always agree
> with him or his attitude but there is a lot that I can learn from him in
> terms of being a heartfelt fisher of men for my God.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
> Behalf Of Michael Roberts
> Sent: 26 February 2004 07:26
> To: Robert Schneider; asa@calvin.edu; John W Burgeson
> Subject: Re: AIG and Falwell join as partners
>
>
> The worst tinned ham in UK is Spam, it is revolting. It is foul cold and
> worse warmed.
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Schneider" <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
> To: <asa@calvin.edu>; "John W Burgeson" <jwburgeson@juno.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:25 AM
> Subject: Re: AIG and Falwell join as partners
>
>
> > Sounds like warmed over Ham.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W Burgeson" <jwburgeson@juno.com>
> > To: <asa@calvin.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:19 AM
> > Subject: AIG and Falwell join as partners
> >
> >
> > > Here is another chilling development, received from TFN.
> > >
> > > *************
> > > EMAILS FROM THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT*
> > > *Text is taken directly from emails sent by Religious Right
> > > groups. TheTexas Freedom Network does not edit the content for
> accuracy.
> > >
> > > Falwell Confidential
> > >
> > > Date: February 19, 2004
> > > From: Jerry Falwell
> > >
> > > If The Foundations Be Destroyed
> > >
> > > Can present-day social clashes - such as homosexual marriage and
> > > religious
> > > expression in the public square - be traced back to the foundations of
> > > our
> > > world in Genesis chapter 1? Ken Ham, the founder of Answers in
> > > Genesis ( http://www.answersingenesis.org ), says they certainly can.
> > > Mr. Ham's contention is that church leaders throughout the centuries
> have
> > >
> > > consented to secular notions that counter the biblical account of
> > > creation.
> > > By doing so, these theologians and clerics have allowed the absolute
> > > authority of the Bible to be challenged.
> > >
> > > Since the foundations of biblical truth were allowed to be challenged,
> > > subsequent generations have continued to venture further and further
> from
> > > the Bible's dictates, choosing instead to follow social whims and
> > > impulses.
> > >
> > > It is no wonder then that we find ourselves, as a nation, clashing
over
> > > social issues that were once non-issues when the Bible was revered as
> > > ultimate truth by our churches, our schools and even by our
government.
> > >
> > > But our nation has turned its collective back on the Word of God.
> > >
> > > Pollster George Barna recently found that four-of-every-ten people
> > > involved
> > > in Christian discipleship programs believe that there is no such thing
> as
> > > absolute truth. And only 44 percent of adults - and only 9 percent of
> > > teenagers - said that they are certain of the existence of absolute
> moral
> > > truth.
> > >
> > > It's really no wonder that we are losing the battle on homosexual
> > > marriage
> > > and other critical cultural issues today.
> > >
> > > Mr. Ham, speaking at Thomas Road Baptist Church on February 15, said
the
> > > reason for this is quite simple: we are today missing church
leadership
> > > that
> > > recognizes the Bible as the absolute authority.
> > >
> > > I know it's not a popular notion to believe in Satan - or an ultimate
> > > evil,
> > > for that matter - but the Apostle Paul warned in II Corinthians 11
that
> > > Satan would use the same method that he used with Eve to convince us
not
> > > to
> > > fully believe the word of God.
> > >
> > > "He wants us to doubt the authority of the Word that will lead to
> > > unbelief," said Mr. Ham.
> > >
> > > He diagramed how bygone theologians began to accept evolutionary
> thought.
> > >
> > > Initially, they said they could accept the conclusion that the earth
> must
> > > be
> > > millions of years old. They concluded that this was all right - that
> > > doesn't affect the Bible in any way. But they had to subsequently
> > > reinterpret the six days of creation. So they placed millions of
years
> > > or
> > > long ages between the days of creation. So the day-age theory came
> > > about,
> > > and then the gap theory which placed millions of years between the
first
> > > two verses of Genesis. And then theologians, now on an uncontrollable
> > > slippery
> > > slope, concluded that Darwinian evolution could be combined with
> biblical
> > >
> > > teaching.
> > >
> > > When we compromise the ultimate truth of the Bible, chaos is the
> ultimate
> > >
> > > outcome.
> > >
> > > "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?" (Psalm
> > > 11:3)
> > >
> > > These church leaders who allowed the notion of evolution to be
combined
> > > with biblical teachings actually unlocked the door to undermine
biblical
> > > authority, Mr. Ham said.
> > >
> > > The outcome is that many Americans, believing that the Bible's history
> to
> > >
> > > be inaccurate, now disbelieve many other parts of the Bible. If one
> part
> > > of it
> > > can be challenged, why should the rest of it be believed?
> > >
> > > It's a worthy question.
> > >
> > > That's why it is so important to defend the Bible's ultimate truth.
Mr.
> > > Ham said that when increasing numbers of church leaders give up
Genesis
> > > as the
> > > foundation for the Bible's absolute authority, our basis for right and
> > > wrong is challenged. We can no longer effectively teach that marriage
> is
> > >
> > > designed
> > > by God for one man and one woman.
> > >
> > > "Because if you reinterpret the Bible's history, why not reinterpret
the
> > > Bible's morality?" he asked. "And don't we see that happening in this
> > > culture? We see the increase in secular thinking. ... because we have
> > > lost
> > > biblical authority."
> > >
> > > Ultimately, the compromise of the church has led to the increasing
> > > attacks
> > > on the authority of the Word of God. Disbelief has swept through the
> > > culture of England and we are not far behind.
> > >
> > > Mr. Ham said the response of the church cannot be, "Trust in Jesus,"
> > > because much of the world does not believe in the ultimate truth of
the
> > > Bible
> > > anymore. Simply saying "trust in Jesus" is preposterous if people
have
> > > become convinced that the Bible is just another book.
> > >
> > > That's where Answers in Genesis comes in. I believe this organization
> is
> > >
> > > developing into one of the most important Christian ministries in the
> > > world.
> > > They are now building a massive Creation Museum near the Cincinnati
> > > International Airport, which will skillfully address the issues of
> > > Genesis
> > > and further defend the foundations of the Bible.
> > >
> > > Answers in Genesis is designed to help the church restore the
authority
> > > of
> > > the Word of God and give the answers to evolutionary thought. Because
> of
> > > this ministry, ministers across the nation can preach the Christian
> > > message
> > > to a culture that has been taught that the Bible cannot be trusted.
The
> > > organization is equipping the church with answers so that we can
defend
> > > the
> > > faith and challenge the church concerning compromise.
> > >
> > > Please visit their website ( http://www.answersingenesis.org ) to
learn
> > > moreabout their efforts. Mr. Ham hopes the result of this vital new
> > > project is
> > > a new reformation.
> > >
> > > The time for this ministry is now because our politically-correct
> society
> > >
> > > is sanctioning whatever social fad comes down the path. If we are to
> > > alter the
> > > present course of our nation it will be because - and only because -
the
> > > church daringly declares the foundational truths of God's Word that is
> > > just
> > > as pertinent to people today as it was when it was written.
> > >
> > > *************
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> > > freedom
> > > and individual liberties to counter the radical right.
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Received on Thu Feb 26 09:38:00 2004