From: Steve Petermann (steve@spetermann.org)
Date: Fri Sep 05 2003 - 09:48:58 EDT
George wrote:
> Note that I said "quantum mechanics & chaos theory." Both are important
in this
> regard & together they cut down Laplacian determinism at the roots. The
initial
> positions & momenta & the laws of motion determine the future positions
and momenta.
> But you can't know both positions and momenta simultaneously to arbitrary
precision:
Sounds right to me.
>>>>>>>>>>
I would make the stronger statement that simultaneous position & momenta
isn't even a
meaningful concept.
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I'm also beginning to think that we don't really have clue what our words
mean at these lower levels. I recently heard of an experiment that would
suggest that as single photon can be in two places at once. Also read the
water is more like H 1.5 0 where an oxygen atom is entangled with more than
one hydrogen. I really wonder if we even really know what a quantum process
are beyond simple experiments with photons or electrons.
>>>>>>>>>>
> Of course this doesn't prove that we do have free will. It simply means
that
> the arguments against free will based on the unlimited validity of
classical mechanics
> fall to the ground.
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Seems to me those arguments against free will based on a LaPlacian view went
out in the last century. However, to claim that free will might be attained
because of quantum indeterminacies would have to deal with whether those
indeterminacies are random or somehow guided. If it is claimed they are
personally guided how could that occur? My view with regard to religious
claims that impinge on our scientific understandings is that there should be
at least some semblance of a reasonable theory to support those claims or
suggestions. I don't really see one in this case. However, if personal
freedom is intrinsically linked to divine freedom, it is a highly reasonable
claim.
Regards,
Steve Petermann
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