Re: YEC and interpretations (was: Re: asa-digest V1 #3214)

From: Jim Armstrong (jarmstro@qwest.net)
Date: Sat Mar 22 2003 - 01:23:03 EST

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    Actually, neither. I personally like the "two books" perspective, and
    note that the testament of nature is patient and uninflected, with
    authorship unquestioned. JimA

    Peter Ruest wrote:

    >In a message dated 3/19/03 1:07:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
    >jarmstro@qwest.net writes:
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    >>Mmm, I suppose one might be led to enquire in such a circumstance, "What
    >>theory do you follow in interpreting scripture?" Maybe I'll give that a
    >>
    >>
    >try
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    >>next time the T word comes up in this context! - Jim Armstrong
    >>
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    >
    >Hi, Jim
    >
    >I'm not quite sure whether you are being ironic or even sarcastic
    >here... But anyhow, for normal Bible reading, a prayerful attitude and
    >open mind is usually sufficient. But the topic addressed was YEC
    >interpretations. In the context of Gen.1-2, you may find my current
    >"theory" under A. Held & P. Rüst, "Genesis reconsidered", PSCF 51/4
    >(Dec. 1999), 231-243;
    >http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1999/PSCF12-99Held.html, and, if you want
    >some more, under P. Rüst, "Creative providence in biology", PSCF 53/3
    >(Sept. 2001), 179-183;
    >http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2001/PSCF9-01Ruest.pdf + ... RustFig1.jpg;
    >... Ruest.html
    >
    >My answer to Gary Collins' question about how to react to Ken Ham and
    >YEC in general was:
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    >
    >>I am in the middle of such a discussion with a young-earth creationist
    >>(who has published a book-long theological defense of the young-earth
    >>creationist postulate).
    >>
    >>The crucial point he doesn't seem to check is that there is a close
    >>parallel between the theological treatment of the Bible and the
    >>scientific treatment of nature (or creation). We have two "books" of
    >>God, his Word (in the Bible), and his work (in creation). The biblical
    >>text (originals) is data, and the creation is data. But theology is
    >>interpretation, and science is interpretation. Data are given - they
    >>are, in a sense, God's truth, which is absolutely reliable (although we
    >>are not able to see all of it directly, both with the biblical originals
    >>and with the realities of creation). We cannot change the data, we can
    >>at most falsify or obscure it. But any interpretation, be it of biblical
    >>texts or of observations in nature, are the work of fallible humans. Its
    >>reliability has certain probabilities, which range from 0 to somewhere
    >>below 100%. Any interpretations must be subject to revision if
    >>necessary. Any pitting of "the Bible" against "science" is therefore a
    >>confusion of categories, and therefore mistaken.
    >>
    >>There is no "literal interpretation" of the Bible which would be immune
    >>
    >>
    >>from human fallibility. I believe we have to take the (original)
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    >>biblical text "literally", in the sense of respecting the way the divine
    >>Author led the human authors to formulate and later copyists to transmit
    >>it: we must not change any of it. But we cannot evade interpreting it -
    >>any reading of it automatically is an interpretation, which has to be
    >>evaluated. So I would not discuss whether Gen.1-11 has to be taken
    >>"literally" or not. The question is how these words are meant to be
    >>interpreted. And this cannot be other than "theory-laden", just as with
    >>scientific interpretations. There is no priority of the interpretations
    >>of one type of data (biblical text) over those of another type of data
    >>(creation). There only is priority of God's data (in the Bible and in
    >>creation) over its interpretation (in both domains).
    >>
    >>
    >
    >Peter
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