Actually, Christianity is not really a religion. In Christianity God seeks (sought) man; whereas in religion man seeks God. Christ left no middle ground (The Unpardonable Sin): "He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters." Matt. 12:30.
Moorad
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Blanchet [mailto:guyblanchet@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:04 AM
To: Adrian Teo
Cc: 'stucandu@lycos.com '; 'asa@calvin.edu '
Subject: Re: Virgin Birth
Adrian,
It was God who defined the boundaries of Christianity. Although there are
zillions of religious, they can be separated in two groups:
1. the religions of the world which group those who feel man saves himself
through good works
2. Christianity who groups those who are convinced through the Holy Spirit
that God saves man because of His atoning death and ressurection.
There is no middle position. If you accept the Good News, the plan of
salvation, then your Christian. If you don't accept it, you're not Christian.
People may discuss all they want....but that will not change God's decision by
one iota!
Guy
Adrian Teo a écrit:
> Hello Guy,
>
> While I disagree strongly with Stuart's conclusions, I must say I am not
> surprised. There are many intellectual Christians who believe, as Howard
> does and has argued, that all matters of faith should be open to question
> and reevaluation. Stuart is simply putting this belief into practice and
> has, IMHO, presented a somewhat reasonable and plausible argument for
> rejecting the divinity of Christ. This Arian argument is still very much
> around today, and they are holding their ground quite well. The Scriptures
> can be used to support both opposing arguments. We will continue to hear
> these arguments brought up, continue to see denominations splitting up over
> doctrinal disagreements, and continue to see fragmentation in the church as
> long as people continue to boldly adopt this skeptical/critical approach to
> Christianity. It is every man and woman for himself/herself. We each become
> our final arbiter of truth.
>
> This is my observation of the state of affairs, and I've tried to describe
> it as objectively as possible, given my limitations. It is not in any way
> intended to offend or insult anyone, nor to accuse anyone of being
> unChristian (unOrthodox perhaps), although we do need to define the
> bounadries of Christianity, lest it becomes a menaingless concept.
>
> My two-cents worth.
>
> Adrian.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guy Blanchet
> To: stucandu@lycos.com
> Cc: asa@calvin.edu
> Sent: 3/2/2002 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Virgin Birth
>
> Stuart d Kirkley a écrit:
>
> > --
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:24:28
> > bivalve wrote:
> > Even being born as the heir apparent to Caesar
> > would have made the Creator physically dependent on others to feed
> > and clean Him.
> >
> > I still, for the life of me, can not understand how people can
> rationally state that Jesus was God incarnate. To me this is one of the
> biggest stumbling blocks of theololgy which stems from and leads to a
> narrowness of scriptural interpretation. If, as the Bible states clearly
> many times, God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son
> to be the Saviour of the world, reveals God as Parent and Son as
> offspring, distinct and individual, how do you arrive at the idea that
> Jesus was God???!! I just find it incredulous that well reasoned people
> can actually hold to this doctrine.
> > Sorry, I had to get that out.
> >
> > 2,000,000,000 Web Pages--you only need 1. Save time with My Lycos.
> > http://my.lycos.com
>
> Mr Kirkley,
>
> Do you feel better now that you 'got it out'? So you're blown away by
> the fact that well-reasoned people believe Jesus is God? Don't be.
> Isaiah said these words about Jesus : "See, I lay in Zion a stone that
> causes men to stumble, and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who
> trusts in him will never be put to shame." The stone is Jesus and he
> causes certain people to stumble. I also attract your attention to
> these words from Paul in first Corinthians: "Has God not made foolish
> the wisdom of the world.[...] For the foolishness of God is wiser than
> man's wisdom, [...]." Mr. Kirkly,
> be careful of worldly wisdom lest you stumble yourself.
>
> GB
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