Re: Response to: What does the Creation lack?

From: george murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Wed Nov 14 2001 - 12:13:11 EST

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    John W Burgeson wrote:

    > Peter noted:
    >
    > "Let's just stick to the few principles we know from revelation (combined
    > with science):
    >
    > (1) God is sovereign, omnipotent, all-knowing, all-loving;
    > (2) God is constantly active as Creator and as Provider;
    > (3) God abstains from interfering with some decisions by free-will
    > creatures;
    > (4) God created stochastic laws, abstaining from micromanaging
    > everything;
    > (5) God is the agent responsible for all other "natural" processes";
    > (6) God sometimes does miracles outside the realm of "natural" events;
    > (7) God takes the consequences of sin upon himself on the cross of
    > Christ;
    > (8) God sometimes hurts those he loves for loving purposes;
    > (9) God provides to those accepting Christ a future of unspeakable
    > blessing;
    >
    > The problem with the above list is, of course, that not all Christians
    > will agree with all 9 principles.
    >
    > Just picking on #1, you have four attributes listed. The first and the
    > last might be agreeable to all -- the second and the third are not. At
    > the very least they are problematical and can (and are) debated.

            It's true that some Christians deny divine omnipotence, & I don't for
    that reason want to declare them infidels. But it should be noted that both
    the Nicene & Apostles' Creeds, which have been held as faithful statements of
    Christian doctrine by the vast majority of Christians for >1500 years, say
    that God is "almighty" (omnipotens, pantokrator). So process folk & others
    shouldn't consider this to be just a matter of "some say this, some say
    that."
           & the classical belief in omnipotence means that God does do
    everything at all levels, and thus contradicts Peter's #5. (& in fact
    "revelation" tells us nothing about natural laws being "stochastic.") This
    doesn't mean that creatures do nothing: What happens in the world should be
    understood as a result of God's cooperation with creatures.

    Shalom,

    George

    George L. Murphy
    http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
    "The Science-Theology Interface"



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