H V T commented recently on YEC and ID:
"The pattern is familiar:
(1) Presume that evolution = Darwinism;
(2) Define Darwinism to include explicitly anti-theistic, naturalistic propositions;
(3) Allow no distinction between the scientific concept of biotic evolution and the exploitive rhetoric of naturalism;
(4) Accept the rhetoric of the preachers of naturalism when they claim that evolution warrants their naturalistic worldview;
(5) Conclude that any teaching favorable to evolution is the enemy of Christianity.
I find HVT's logic flawed. Here is the way it appears to me:
Evolutionary logic:
(1) Presume that matter, energy, the world and universe exist eternally, (based on the philosophy of naturalism/materialism).
(2) Presume the universe and earth are very old, (based on vast distances in the universe, radiometric dating and a corollary to Naturalism/materialism -- Actualism [i.e. Non-uniform Uniformitarianism]).
(3) Presume that the geologic record is very old, (based on 2).
(4) Presume that life originated on earth following natural laws, (based on 1 and a corollary to naturalism/materialism -- Abiogenesis).
(5) Presume that the Biosphere on earth is very old, (based on 2 and 3).
(6) Presume that the history of life on earth over vast ages is recorded in the geologic record, (based on 5).
(7) Conclude that Evolutionism (genetic variation, applied over time, is responsible for all life forms originating from a single source) is evident in the geologic record, (based on 6).
(8) Suppress knowledge of the Naturalistic assumptions upon which Evolutionism is based, ( based on 2 ).
(9) Suppress knowledge of the Naturalistic assumptions within which science is done, there by fallaciously presenting science as unbiased in supporting Evolutionism.
TE logic:
(1) Presume that God Created the world and universe, (based on the Bible).
(2) Presume the universe and earth are very old, (based on vast distances in the universe, radiometric dating and Actualism [Naturalistic Assumptions]).
(3) Presume that the geologic record is very old, (based on 2).
(4) Presume that God originated life on earth, (based on the Bible).
(5) Presume that the Biosphere on earth is very old, (based on 2 and 3).
(6) Presume that the history of life on earth over vast ages is recorded in the geologic record, (based on 5).
(7) Assume that Evolutionism (genetic variation, applied over time, is responsible for all life forms originating from a single source) is evident in the geologic record, (based on 6).
(8) Ignore (remain willingly ignorant of or rationalize away) the naturalistic assumptions upon which Evolutionism is based, ( based on 2 ).
(9) Ignore the cause and effect of Naturalism to Evolutionism, (2, 3, 5, 6 and 7)
(10) Imagine that there is a distinction between Evolutionism and Darwinism.
(11) Ignore or rationalize away the rhetoric of the preachers of Naturalism upon which Evolutionism is based.
(12) Conclude that Evolutionism is God's way of Creating
ID logic: [not YEC, CC, or OEC]
(1) Presume that evolution = Evolutionism = Darwinism [genetic variation, applied over time, being responsible for all life forms originating from a single source];
(2) Allow for a vast distinction between the scientific concept of genetic variation and Evolutionism;
(3) Accept the truth of the preachers of naturalism when they claim that Evolutionism is based on their naturalistic worldview;
(4) Recognize that Evolutionism is explicitly anti-theistic because it is based on naturalistic propositions;
(5) Conclude that any teaching favorable to Evolutionism is the enemy of Christianity and Creationism.
Creationary Catastrophes logic: [not YEC]
(1) Presume that God Created the world and universe, (based on the Bible).
(2) Presume the universe and earth are very old, (based on the Bible [literary structure of Genesis and Fall of Lucifer] supported by apparent vast distance of the universe)
(3) Presume that God originated life on earth, (based on the Bible: Creation Week).
(4) Presume that the Biosphere on earth is "young", (based on 3).
(5) Presume that the fall of man precipitated the beginning of death among mankind and the animal world [possibly excluding insects], excluding plants, (based on the Bible)
(6) Presume that the geologic record displays (for the most part) the catastrophic event called Noah's Flood, (based on the Bible and scientific observation).
(7) Presume that the life forms existing on earth prior to the Flood are recorded in the geologic record, (based on 6 and scientific observation).
(8) Conclude that genetic variation within created kinds is responsible for all life forms evident in the geologic record and living today, (based on 3, 6 and scientific observation).
YEC logic:
(1) Presume that God Created the world and universe, (based on the Bible).
(2) Presume the universe and earth are very young, (based on the Bible).
(3) Presume that God originated life on earth, (based on the Bible: Creation Week).
(4) Presume that the Biosphere on earth is "young", (based on 3).
(5) Presume that the fall of man precipitated the beginning of death among mankind and the animal world [possibly excluding insects], excluding plants, (based on the Bible)
(6) Presume that the geologic record displays (for the most part) the catastrophic event called Noah's Flood, (based on the Bible and scientific observation).
(7) Presume that the life forms existing on earth prior to the Flood are recorded in the geologic record, (based on 6 and scientific observation).
(8) Conclude that genetic variation within created kinds is responsible for all life forms evident in the geologic record and living today, (based on 3, 6 and scientific observation)
Allen Roy
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