Re: Mathematics and Physics from Genesis to Revelation

From: M.B.Roberts (topper@robertschirk.u-net.com)
Date: Thu Feb 08 2001 - 08:28:33 EST

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    Seriously, is this a joke? If not see my comments interspersed in capitals
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jon Runge" <integer@crosswalkmail.com>
    To: <asa@calvin.edu>
    Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 12:33 PM
    Subject: MATH: Mathematics and Physics from Genesis to Revelation

    > Regarding: Mathematics and Physics from Genesis to Revelation
    >
    > PART ONE
    >
    > This communication comes in four parts. It is broken up into parts
    because this should make it easier to read and to criticize. Part One is
    composed of references and an overall summary.
    >
    > REFERENCES:
    >
    > "Might it not be a good idea to try to develop some understanding of
    issues related to creation and evolution (including theological anthropology
    and providence) from the NT? I am certainly not suggesting that we drop
    Genesis (or for that matter Psalms or Isaiah or the rest of the OT) in
    developing a full understanding of these issues. But it would be good
    discipline for us to put a moratorium on debates about Genesis 1-11 & focus
    on relevant NT texts (reflecting, of course, on related OT passages when
    necessary for interpretation). " George Murphy (February 2, 2001)
    >
    > "I believe that the incarnation, cross and new creation are key to a full
    theology of creation...." Also, see all of "A NT doctrine of creation (was
    cannon within the canon)", which is full of Scripture references. Jonathan
    Clarke (February 2, 2001)
    >
    > "... I do get the impression, upon reading Genesis 3, that something
    fundamentally important occurred at the time of the Fall, apart from the
    advent of sin, with the "opening of eyes" -- that, apparently, would not
    have occurred without the disobedience." Gordon Simons (January 16, 2001)
    >
    > SUMMARY
    >
    > It is impossible to understand Genesis without appreciating that Genesis
    describes the creation of a real, historical being called Adam, who is
    blessed with perfect, eternal, and infinite reasonNO PART OF GENESIS SAYS
    ANYTHING ABOUT ADAM'S REASON. In Genesis 3 Adam's reason is destroyed by
    sin NO EVIDENCE FROM THE TEXT, which is essentially an act of rebellion
    against the Person of eternal living truth. In rebelling against eternal
    living truth Adam is plunged into utter irrationality NO EVIDENCEsave for
    the grace and mercy of God. The Bible is the ultimate book of reason and
    logic as it records how man's sense of reason is restored to its original,
    living, eternally perfect and infinite state in Jesus Christ.I PREFER TO
    ACCEPT THE BIBLE'S WORD FOR IT ESPECIALLY 2TIM3.16
    >
    > The logic of modern physics is governed by Einstein's principle of
    RELATIVITY and by Heisenberg's principle of UNCERTAINTY (or AMBIGUITY). It
    is proposed that these principles are the logical fruit of man's separation
    from God YOU MUST BE JOKING. This separation from God can be identified
    with original sin and the Fall of Adam. Being separated from God creates
    logical confusion about absolute truth. In a futile attempt to eliminate
    this confusion Adam (or man) has retreated to the logic of RELATIVE and
    UNCERTAIN human truth.
    >
    > The difference between God's logic and man's fallen logic can be described
    in A PURELY MATHEMATICAL WAY. This difference is related to symmetries for
    COUNTING AND MEASURING with real and imaginary whole numbers in a positive
    or negative direction in the complex plane. Faith in Jesus Christ (the
    divine "logos", or absolute logic) restores man's logic to its pure,
    original state SHOW ME A CHRISTIAN WHO IS PERFECT AS LUTHER SAID SIMUL
    PECCATUR ET JUSTUS. In this state an arithmetic statement for counting or
    measuring is unambiguously true or false in four individual ways. In this
    state an arithmetic statement for counting or measuring is logically true or
    false "in absolute truth." In absolute truth and logic a quantum theory of
    gravity is absolute (and not relative mathematically), and Heisenberg's
    uncertainty principle is no longer valid.

    IF THIS IS NOT A JOKE THEN I FIND IT OFFENSIVE AS ONE SHOULD NOT READ INTO
    HOLY SCRIPTURE WHAT IS NOT THERE NOR BEND AND TWIST SCRIPTURE FOR OUR OWN
    ENDS.
    WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TREAT SCRIPTURE WITH REVERENCE AND RESPECT NOT MANGLE IT.
    SORRY TO BE SHARP BUT I ACCEPT THE AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE AS GOD'S WORD
    WHICH TELLS US HOW TO GO TO HEAVEN AND NOT ABOUT MATHS FROM GENESIS TO
    REVELATION

    YOURS VERY CONCERNED

    MICHAEL ROBERTS
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